Just as We Suspected

Lol

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Learned behavior.

Their depopulation plan is in full effect.

No, it’s not.

And I immediately question the reliability of something published by the Arizona Christian.

Do you trust Gallup? They have seen a doubling in their polling.

And I doubt millennia’s and Gen Z participate in Gallup polls.

The Gallup poll is interesting, and surprising to me.

There are 2 things. The first is minor, but they are now including Q where (I believe) they only asked for LGBT before. So 3.3% of LGBT respondents may not be gay while identifying as asexual, or polysexual, or whatever crazy new term people want to identify as.

The larger portion is bisexual. It seems there has been a huge spike in this identification. Of all the Gen Z adults (18-24) who identify as LGBT in this study, a whopping 72% is bisexual. 2/3rds of those are women. We all know the joke about women experimenting in college. So a lot of this increase probably reflects public acceptance more than anything else, and I would expect that number to go down as that demographic ages, but who knows.

Bisexuality proves my premise.

This is learned behavior. Much of it is done for attention purposes.

It’s all a choice. And the more we glorify it, tolerate it, and put it on media, more and more people will choose to participate. The only mitigation is good parenting to explain that this isn’t typical behavior.

I don’t disagree with that premise.

This is an intellectual leap, however.

Look, I don’t know if being gay is inherent or a choice. I’m not gonna preach on that subject. But I will say, even if it’s not a choice for many people, that doesn’t stop anybody from making that choice. In other words, to me it is obvious that at least a portion of gay people are gay by choice, just as a matter of the human condition. Hell, I’ve seen gay people on TV claim it was their choice, so I’m not even making an assumption. But projecting that to 100% of the gay population… I won’t go that far.

What GSC conveniently ignores is that people won’t generally choose to be discriminated again or viewed as less-than.

You say you don’t believe they’re lesser, but you sure do spend a lot of time and energy worrying about people that have zero effect on your life.

I too am concerned about the eternal consequences of said lifestyle. However, I cannot choose the lifestyle for them. I can only teach what the consequences are and then it’s on them if they want to repent or continue. At that point, it is a choice. I do understand that people believe they were ā€œborn this way.ā€ I disagree, but my disagreement is based on a spiritual level, and not a scientific level. That being said, beating someone over the head with a bible isn’t going to change their way of thinking in the least little bit. While there are a lot of people who identify as LGTBQ+, there are a lot who have found Jesus, and have renounced the lifestyle. Who better to be a witness to the community than those who were once a part of it.

I respect your opinion SC, but I’m quite certain you didn’t choose to be straight, you just are. Same with me.

We choose to stay straight. Where as some choose to dabble if you will.

To ā€œchooseā€ to stay straight is to have desires for the same sex as well.

Did you consciously ask yourself the question before ā€œdeciding?ā€ I doubt it. You just knew you were. Yes?

No, I never asked myself it I were straight. I am what I am.

Of course you are.

So then how does this not also apply to being gay?

This is where the spiritual part comes in. By being straight, we are not deceived because being straight is not a sin.The enemy has convinced people that they were born this way.

SC - you’re talking about 2 different things.

I respect your religious belief that being gay is a sin. Others don’t share your view. That’s one thing.

The other is how one’s brain is wired (their sexual preference).

Interesting…so let’s discuss this being a sin. Is women wearing pants a sin? Do you celebrate the sabbath on Sunday? Do you touch or speak to your wife during her period? We can go through the ā€œsinsā€ as listed in the Bible all you want. Then, we can discuss how it is one of the worst moral outlines ever to exist.

No

Context is important when studying scripture. Never read where you are not allowed to speak to your wife during this time…

Saturday is the Sabbath. That said, Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

We are living under grace now. Jesus has already paid it all. I live for Him. He lives in me. Am I perfect? No, just forgiven. Salvation is available to anyone that wants it. It’s not about religion, it’s about a relationship with God.

A person dealing with same sex attraction hasn’t sinned until they act upon it. The attraction is a form of temptation. Temptation comes in many ways. How we respond to said temptation is where the sin will lie. No different than a man who struggles with alcohol in this regard. There’s also nature vs nurture factors that come into play.

Temptation is one thing. How our brain is naturally wired to prefer one sex over another is something different entirely.

You may think acting on homosexual desires is a sin. Fine. But you agree it is how one’s brain is wired. So you seem to agree that people don’t choose to be gay. You would simply prefer them to be gay and not act on it.