This asshole actually thinks this about himself.
Unreal. Guy makes up shit daily as evidenced by this thread, gets called out, digs himself in deeper and deeperi wash, repeat.
Saying “I could be wrong” is not the same as “I was wrong.”
But it doesn’t surprise me that you wouldn’t make that distinction.
I am familiar with all those theories, GSC. A speculative article written like a day after the bombing is not proof of anything. There is more evidence now, and a lot of pro-Ukrainians have been coming around to the truck bomb theory. That said, there is no definitive answer yet. Such is the fog of war.
HOWEVER, the drone theories kind of cut your own argument off at the knees. You don’t need elite special forces with 10+ years experience and training to fly a drone, or launch a missile, or direct an unmanned boat.
So it seems like you’re being argumentative without being especially coherent.
What’s the point of posting all that Nord Stream information? Did anyone deny it was a special forces op? You’re just spamming the board incoherently again.
You’re obviously not even reading my replies because I have said multiple times i don’t think it was the Ukrainians.
But the exploded pipe sections were only 70-90 meters deep, which is well within the range of civilian technical divers.
That said, yes, this is apparently the work of special forces. Unless it was an underwater drone, which everyone would agree would make this kind of operation much simpler.
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Are you sure about this? From what I’ve read there are 3 ways to operate a drone.
Fully autonomous - pre programmed to operate (think of bombing missions where the drone is extremely high up and safe and we know where to drop the pay load). I doubt a mission like this would rely on a pre-programmed drone because of all of the heightened security in the area and the low altitude.
Satellite - again- counter measures make this a little bit far-Fetched considering the security and counter measures in the area.
Radio signal - close range. A team of operators gets into a nearby position and operates the drone. They are able to provide cover, think on their feet and adapt to counter measures.
Now why do you think these guys wouldn’t have to be highly trained to get into position and operate a drone like this to deliver a payload at the right time and in the right spot to be successful?
No- I’m just pointing out that it’s an extremely difficult operation. We’re talking about operating outside of the Ukraine in EU territory and having to dive pretty deep to do what they did.
Why do we believe the Ukrainians have this capability?
American Navy Seals? 100%.
I’m reading your replies. We still have a problem even though you concede it’s Spec Ops… I believe it’s Western/American Spec Ops and I’m providing ideas as to why.
Low altitude is a non-starter. All the Shaheds Russia is launching are “suicide drones” aka “loitering munitions.” They are designed to fly into the target, hence “low altitude.”
A precision-guided missile or drone could hit that bridge without operators lazing or otherwise painting the target. (Which doesn’t mean that didn’t happen.)
What counter-measures is Russia employing against GPS? There’s been lots of evidence that Russia is using GPS, not blocking it.
Secondly, inertial guidance as a backup system can get there is GPS fails. I believe it’s what the Shaheds use by default, though there have been some accounts of Russia upgrading them to GLONASS (their shitty version of GPS).
Overall, I’m not denying that special forces didn’t penetrate enemy territory, but it is a known fact that Ukraine has already flown drones into Crimea and even proper Russian territory like Belgorod. They have already proven it is possible.
No one except you keeps saying this though.
However, I won’t rule out Ukrainian operators doing this with Navy Seal training and tech, ESPECIALLY if it was done with drones. I fail to understand why you think that would be so hard.
Except you haven’t given a single reason why the Nord Stream bombing capabilities look more American than Russian? That’s my point.
Now, I’m fine with you not believing Russia would do that. We can debate strategy and I will be the first to admit neither of us knows what is what. but if you’re talking specifically from a capabilities standpoint, you cannot claim it was American without first discounting Russia’s involvement.
Yes we do. Russia is the white nationalist, anti woke capitol of authoritarianism for them. They really do see it as the bastion of conservative thought and the protectors of Christianity…as ironic as that is.
The demographics have shown them they’ve already lost. So, the haste in blocking as many votes as possible moved directly into let’s destroy the system and have an authoritarian leader. It’s not a secret that these two things corresponded in timing.
Paul Weyrich of the CNP presented it to them in 1999. Ever notice how the radio, fox, the politicians on the right all say the same things in the same words on the same days?
Council for National Policy. Spend some time
But wait a minute…. And I’m not pretending to be a drone expert because I’m not…. But isn’t there a difference between Russia indiscriminately sending drones to soft targets vs this particular hard target that Russia is calling the most well defended of any of their assets? I mean you have to concede it’s a different target in nature than what you’re offering in comparison? No?
Again- if it were not defended or if Russia didn’t have anti drone/anti missile defenses. But they do.
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1544042927206408195?s=46&t=pf3ybi-D9mmQbCR6poF7ZQ
https://tass.com/defense/1275551/amp
The Russians have the S-400 anti-missile, anti-drone defense system operating in that area plus other things like snipers and drones of their own.
This isn’t just lobbing in and praying it hits. This is a sensitive mission that requires operators.
Russia has hit plenty of hard targets with drones, and so has Ukraine in Russian territory. I don’t see how the distinction is relevant to this convo.
The smokescreen is an active measure used during specific movements. The “decoy barge” would only affect radar-guided missiles. Neither would impact missiles that are GPS or inertial guided. optical guiding would be affected by a well-placed smokescreen only, but Russia can’t have smoke out forever, especially when the bridge is in use! Drivers need to see!
I do think the anti-saboteur boats and swimmers lower the liklihood of the unmanned boat theory (your speculation, not mine). They also lower the liklihood of operators on the ground or in the water.
Air defenses overall are a challenge, but far from invincible. Usually air defense amounts to hoping you take out more incoming strikes than you miss. But yes, air defenses make that route more of a challenge as well.
I’m confused now. Are you trying to convince me that the bridge explosion wasn’t a drone? Because that S-400 system you mention would be just as effective if there were operators on the ground painting the target, right?
You can see why, after looking at all their defenses, the truck bomb theory seems to fit best. JMO.
Iran is officially selling drones and ballistic missiles to Russia.
I hope this puts to bed the myth of unlimited Russian stocks.
On another note, a third-party state supplying Russia is REALLY bad news for Ukraine. The Shahed drones are pretty shit, but they are cheap and numerous. Besides harrassing Ukraine all over the country, they are using up and/or confusing air defenses.
NATO is responding by supplying top-of-the-line missile defenses for Russia, but I personally think this is not enough. If this is all that happens, then I think Russia may finally be taking back some of the initiative in this war.
It may be time for the US to provide ATACMS and other long range systems that can strike deep in Crimea. And, for the first time, the idea of significantly striking sovereign Russia needs to be broached. Because if Russia is allowed to just pound Ukraine with missiles for 6 months straight without fear of running out… things will look bad for Ukraine.
Russia has announced a civilian retreat from Kherson city and the right (west) bank of the Dnieper. they could be doing this to prepare for combat, but there’s speculation that they will use civilians as cover for their retreat.
Either way, things look like they’re underway in Kherson.
Also, Russia declared martial law in all the annexed territories. This will give the military greater control to shuffle people around and essentially do what they want. Russia announced the deportation of 60,000 residents to Russia over the coming days. More people stealing, more war crimes.
In a parallel move, Russia imposed tighter controls on their border and in Crimea. Apparently this is to protect their civilian infrastructure and better monitor migration. My take is they are concerned about special operations forces attacking their infrastructure.
US spec ops???
M.K. Bhadrakumar is currently a political journalist in India who spent three decades assigned to various diplomatic posts in Russia and in other Asian assignments. As former Indian Ambassador to Turkey and Uzbekistan, Bradrakumar is highly regarded for his expertise in the field of international politics. Recently Bhadrakumar sized up recent events and made some predictions about Russian strategy and outcomes. His perspective I think has much greater veracity than lies being told in MSM. Bhradrakumar wrote:
Blockquote *Policy-makers and strategists in Delhi should make a careful note of the timeline. The bottom line is, Russia is looking for an all-out victory and will not settle for anything less than a friendly government in Kiev. Western politicians, including Biden, understand that there is nothing stopping the Russians now. The US’ weapon kitty is running dry as Kiev keeps asking for more. When asked whether he’d meet Biden at the G20 in Bali, Putin derisively remarked on Friday, ‘He (Biden) should be asked whether he is ready to hold such negotiations with me or not. To be honest, I don’t see any need, by and large. There is no platform for any negotiations for the time being.’ However, Washington has not yet thrown in the towel and the Biden administration remains obsessed with exhausting the Russian military — even at the cost of Ukraine’s destruction. And, for the Russians too, there is still much to be worked out on the battlefield: the oppressed Russian populations in Odessa (which suffered unspeakable atrocities from the neo-Nazis), Mykolaiv, Zaporizhya, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov are expecting ‘liberation’. It’s a highly emotive issue for Russia. Again, the overarching agenda of ‘demilitarisation’ and ‘denazification’ of Ukraine must be taken to its logical conclusion.
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India should expect the defeat of the US and NATO, which completes the transition to a multipolar world order. Sadly, Indian elites are yet to purge their ‘unipolar predicament’. Europe, including Britain, is devastated and there is palpable discontent over the US’s ‘transatlantic leadership’. Indo-Pacific strategy is hopelessly adrift. New power centres are emerging in India’s extended neighbourhood, as the OPEC’s rebuff to Washington shows. A profound adjustment is needed in the Indian strategic calculus.*
The Russian strategy has surprised me. I now am of the opinion Putin plans to let Europe and Ukraine stew in their own juices as winter and economic desolation will eventually destroy NATO as Russia takes its time in piece by piece destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure leaving Ukraine without rail transportation, power, and a winnowing food supply. Putin is laying siege to Ukraine.
I am glad you are coming around, bikki.
Mr. Bhadrakumar as well as the Biden administration are in agreement with the rest of the world on Russia’s intent. In fact, it has only been you and the other Russia apologists who have denied that they seek regime change in Kyiv, or that they would attack Odesa, or that this was a land grab, etc.
Finally admitting to Russia’s true goal is a big step for you. The Biden admin has called it from the start.
On an unrelated note, I wonder what Mr. Bhadrakumar thinks about Putin seizing Indian oil assets over the last week…
Haven’t see anyone prove my belief otherwise.
And I haven’t seen anyone prove you don’t currently have a dildo up your ass.
And that’s fine! I’m not begging for your belief or validation.
I have an opinion. If you do t like it that’s ok. I don’t like apt of your opinions either.
Why does it bother you that I have one? Lol.
Because you are a fucking moron. Good back and reread this thread
Honestly, GSC, It doesn’t bother me if you believe American forces are secretly on the ground. Like you say, that’s your opinion. I disagree, but that’s my opinion.
What I object is when you state things like “It’s been clear for a while that Americans have been fighting there.” Then I’ll push against you, saying no, it’s not clear.
And if you say, “No one proved Americans WEREN’T there,” then I’ll push back too because the burden of proof isn’t on proving a negative. Hence the dildo comment.
But seriously, it’s fine if you believe that. It is a much more reasonable conspiracy than most of the other ones you believe.