3 War in Ukraine

You must care about the people of Ukraine more than they do then. Wow, what a carer you are!

He’s already proved he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He swore Russia wouldn’t try to take Kyiv. He said there was no way they would take attack Kharkiv. he still thinks they’re not going for Odesa.

Bikki is delusional.

imo i think he stops at ukraine…he’s been whining about ukraine for years. what other countries would he take…finland? baltic states? i don’t think he’s ever expressed interest in those places

51, Discretion is the better part of valor. Bravado will yield greater loss of life and destruction. Ukrainians are fighting a war they cannot win. Unfortunately, they are being urged on by countries whose support is tepid to the extent that no other country is willing to send its citizens to fight on the side of a sovereign Ukraine.

The situation in Ukraine is analogous to the Hungarian revolution in Budapest decades earlier. The West championed the valor of the revolutionaries, but again not enough to help them against a powerful Red Army. Hungary has since gained its independence as times change and the opportunities for change ultimately improved. Obviously, this is not a propitious time for Ukraine to face off against Russia.

I hate to give Biden any credit at all because he’s an idiot with a long record within the realm of cretinous human behavior, but Biden is right and mindful of the potential of the Ukraine struggle mushrooming into an event that might unleash nuclear weapons. Never underestimate the Russian proclivity for the slaughter of innocent people. As I pointed in a previous post, Putin’s behavior in the siege of Aleppo is indication of the kind of carnage that may well take place in Ukraine.

51, I don’t know whether Putin will stop at Ukraine, and I think your concern is a valid one. I thought he’d annex the Dumbas Region, the Oblasts of Donetsk and Luhansk, but it surprised me that he is trying to annex Ukraine itself. At this juncture, the carnage has to be stopped. Ukraine must concede to stop further destruction and loss of life. There is no other humane remedy.

I am fond of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, but I haven’t been in Russia since my failed attempt in a Moscow court to recover title to my apartment. When Yeltsin took over, real estate prices in Moscow soared. Incredibly my apartment overlooking the Moscow River within sight of the Russian White House which is green in hue all of sudden became a valuable property. Under communism, I paid only $700 dollars for the place. After the building was seized by a mafaiyah oligarch, formerly a high ranking Communist Party official, all titles in the condo were vacated. Unfortunately, during that time I lost my wife who being an emigre Russian poet of some renown, was something of a Moscow celebrity. Without my wife, my lifeline to higher ups in the Russian government was severed. My case became a class action of condo owners against a wealthy Russian crook. My claim and those of others, many foreigners, was dismissed. Interestingly, I obtained a property appraisal on the value of the apartment, and I was able to declare a $200,000 loss on my income tax.

When the fall of communism was imminent, there was an enormous desire among Russians to create joint ventures with Americans. The best street in the city is called Kalinin Street. A half block away from the U.S. Embassy was a huge vacant Stalinesque building, 8 stories, more than two million square feet. It was for sale for $60,000 dollars. I tried like hell to form a partnership with my Russian friends to buy the building. My friends are all Jewish Russian physicians. They were all Communist Party members, but communists in name only. So, I had a friend who is an international lawyer draw up a contract. You cannot imagine how hard it is to deal with Russians; they were business amateurs. Everything however did seem to be in place, but the contract was predicated on Yeltsin taking over. Months passed and Gorbachev remained in power. Finally, Yeltsin became president. It was time to buy the property. So all the partners had to pony up funds. However, my Russian friends savings were all in banks in Cyprus, and they could not get their funds, wanting me to pay the entire amount until the hold up problem in Cyrus was resolved. I demurred. Three weeks later, the building was sold to a Chinese group. Today, I estimate the building to be worth a half billion dollars. Maybe Djrion is right about my being stupid.

I understand that idea of realpolitik. But I also know how appeasement worked out 80 years ago (it didn’t). I pray Ukraine can find a way to hang on.

Fuck Putin.

Moldova is the next most likely. They’re basically a chunk cut out of Ukraine if you look at the map. Plus Russia already has peacekeepers in a contested portion of Moldova, similar to the regions in Ukraine.

They are also former USSR and not part of NATO. In other words, ripe for the plucking.

I agree. This is exactly why Putin should back down.

Ukraine continuing the fight is very bad for Russia. Every day, more Russian soldiers are dying than Ukrainians. Every day, Russian coffers are being bled, Russian armor is being destroyed, and Putin looks that much weaker.

Ukraine can’t win a military conflict, but Blinken’s statement about them winning is absolutely possible depending on how things progress in Moscow. The real question is, how much are the sanctions hurting, really? Because dealing with sanctions at the same time as you’re dealing with an embarrassing war is twice as bad.

Supposedly Russian military reinforcing their front lines with cutting-edge military armor…

Bahahahahahaha

His side doesn’t do any of that, ya know

These conservatives whom support Herr Putin should be held to the highest magnitude of punishments that are worse than anything we have in place. Treasonous bunch of SOBs trying to make light of this god aweful pig. You guys are absolute pieces of tras

Lol…And you’re a nice guy huh? you dramatic little cunt

For humanitarian reasons Zelensky must resign and stop fomenting a war he cannot hope to win. Sending more weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians is at this juncture futile and hypocritical since no Western nation supports Ukraine to the extent of sending in its own soldiers. No doubt, U.S. Stinger missiles will bring down Russian aircraft. The result will be atrocious. Putin will lay siege to more cities, cut off electric, food, and water and begin annihilating them with artillery.

If the West is concerned about the Ukrainian people, it should force Zelensky out and begin sending billions in aid to repair Ukraine. Settlement is the rational response. Then, the West needs to continue to addict Russia to capitalism, create economic bonds that preclude totalitarian response. Long range, Europe has enough to worry about due to the demographic consequences of the rise of Islam which may change the character of Europe including the Eastern Slavic states forever. I direct the two idiot leftist on the board to study birthrate statistics and the perilous future of Europe. Warden, the Cunt, deserves marginal credit for being curious and doing research though his interpretation of same is usually faulty and skewed by Marxist thought. Additionally, Warden should bone up on Russian history and contemporary writings and direct some attention to Chinese investment in the Russian economy.

Credit is due to 305 for his reporting of Ukraine activities. Same goes for 51 who has posed some validly interesting questions. GSC, Skeeter, and Indiana are rational thinkers whose sketicism is admirable and who are not easily fooled by Marxist propaganda. Marxism flat out doesn’t it work and its disregard for individual rights destroys incentive, invention, productivity and prosperity. The government needs to leave people to hell alone.

Yes, there is plenty of hope for a future Ukraine. For centuries, Eastern Slavs have developed a common culture, and Ukraine has a bevy of outstanding universities and a high literacy rate. Ukraine needs to spend its monies on improving the lot of its people, not on creating a military threatening Russia and Belorus.

No. No. No. Why do you want to repeat history? Why are you all for appeasement? It’s interesting that you’ve not responded to me on this.

How can you say this when it’s very possible, if. It likely, that Ukraine becomes part of Russia? Even if it doesn’t, it just turns into a Belarus with a dictator Putin installs, which may as well be the same thing.

I know you’re smart enough to realize this. I admire Ukrainians to telling the Russians to go fuck themselves.

Appeasement? What is there to appease? We’re not willing to enter the fray at all. Zelensky is just going to make Putin angry, and Kiev will wind up like Aleppo. Please read about Aleppo and the Father of All Bombs. Ukraine can lose the war now or lose it later after Putin destroys the country and kills several hundred thousand people.

Notice Warden never dared offer a solution to the Ukraine crisis. Biden indirectly caused the oil crisis. I wrote previously about supply and demand and basic economics. What I didn’t include was perception. Markets also rise and fall on the basis of perception. At times, when crises occur, international gloom besets the market and drives commodity prices and futures.

Russia has changed demonstrably since the disbanding of the Soviet Union. There has been a building craze as never before. The shabbiness of the Soviet Union is being replaced by competition and by style. Under communism, everything was standardized. For example, every office chair throughout the country was the same model. Every Lada automobile had a broken latch on the passenger side. All toilets in Russia are the same using a trillion gallons of water with each flush. There were however many toilets brought back to Russia from Poland during WW2. Imagine the Russian stealing thousands of Polish toilets which work a helluva better than Russian models.

When I lived in Russia, my friends at hospitals took care of my transportation needs. They sent drivers with various vehicles including ambulances to transport me around town. Every once in awhile the eminent Dr.Yakov Gelparin would send his Zil limousine to take us. When we rode in the Zil, we didn’t have to stop at red lights and a special lane of traffic reserved for dignitaries. Dr. Gelperin was head of all alcohol rehabilitation institutes in the entire Soviet Union and drank nearly a fifth of vodka every day of his life. He was a true genius and achess grandmaster with outrageous eye brows. Unfortunately, he had roving hands and loved my wife who was a beautiful woman who looked very much like Eva Gabor. Keeping Gelperin away from Milla was often a diplomatic task. When Gelperin entertained, it was a stupendous party, mountains of Beluga caviar and smoked salmon, countless bottles of champagne and vodka. No bourbon. No scotch. Cuban cigars that would cost fifty dollars a stick in the US. Gelperin was in his mid-Sixties at the time. He had a knockout-looking wife with enormous frontal protuberances who was thirty years old. Sometimes Gelperin would play the piano and sing Katyusha, and I liked the song so much I learned it sang it once with Gelperin. Here is video of the song which is the most famous folk song from WW2 about a girl missing her man who had gone to war.

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I don’t think Putin can get away with this politically. Kyiv is not Aleppo. It is the heart of the old Soviet Union. It is historically important to Russia and has 1000-year-old churches.

Russian people are RELATED to people in Kyiv. This is brother against brother. Plenty of the Russian populace is already protesting this war. What would the rest of the people say if the capital was reduced to rubble?

Neither of which are even close. In fact, Obama is quantifiable one of the most stand up Presidents we’ve had 50 years. You both support our enemies and attack our allies. This isn’t close.
You’re a traitor to our country, period.

Really? Was this your Dr. Galperin?

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Interesting statement.

Uninteresting statement.

I thought it was quelled by Putin’s Iron Fist?

@Canes51 - you see this bro?

I’m sorry, are you under the impression that 100% of the protesters were arrested? Or are you just creating an easy straw man to burn down?

Do you feel smart now? Does this strategy make you feel smart?

You guys in one thread tried to make it seem like protesting was being cracked down on. Now here it seems like you are saying a huge population is protesting. Can’t really have it both ways man. Sorry. Either one is true or not.

^ Ooh, look at this sad violation @Canes51
LMAO

Don’t know what you’re talking about. Just read one single article and you will find:

  1. Lots of people are protesting
  2. Lots of people are being detained/arrested

So again, I’m not even comprehending what your assertion is.