Why Donald Trump Cannot Be Convicted

Storm Shelter
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When a person commits a crime, he is charged which precipitates a trial. Donald Trump was impeached which is certainly legal, but the allegation that he committed crime has not been proven. It is merely a declaration without proof, and more importantly Donald Trump has been denied completely his due process under law. What has been done to Trump is analogous to what is known legally as a Bill of Attainder which is a legislative decree plucking a citizen out of private life and punishing him without the normal due process protections of the judicial system. The Constitution itself outrightly bans bills of attainder. So what we’ll be seeing is a Moscowesque show trial aimed at publicly besmirching Trump. Personally, I believe it will enhance Trump’s popularity.

Already Biden is failing, and he’s making a load of people angry. People are losing high paying jobs left and right, and how reassuring is it to be told by Traitor John Kerry that they can all get jobs making solar panels. In other words, they’re being promised jobs that are purportedly going to exist in some distant future. There are now 18 million Americans unemployed. That’s a lot of solar panel jobs.

In addition, Biden is destroying the energy sector and doing so during harsh economic times. This is sheer insanity, and again a lot of people are going to get angry. How many Americans want their taxes raised to take care of ILLEGAL immigrants? As I have oft said, only one politician owns this issue and that is Donald J. Trump.

Americans will soon recognize that Biden is serving China first not the American people.

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100% correct bikki. Bill of attainder.

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What do you mean he’s being denied due process? He’s having a trial. He’ll get to defend himself.

As for the trial itself - the GOP in the senate will once again bend over to their (former) commander and acquit. Everyone knows that’s coming.

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The House never held committees. They never introduced evidence. That committee that was the review the evidence didn’t authorize the articles of impeachment to be voted on by the House.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdf

They ditched their own rules which means this is a bill of attainder.

Because the House violated their own rules, this Senate trial is not legitimate. Ergo- civil rights and due process violation.

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What you posted specifically mentions conviction without a trial - which he’s going to have.

As for evidence and witnesses - the need not look further than their own chamber - they are their own witnesses, and the evidence is all over that building.

Regardless - he’ll obviously be acquitted - and I agree with Bikki that this will only make his base more loyal to him.

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Following your own procedure is just as important as anything else in a trial.

If the state indicts you tomorrow they must follow their own rules. Even the ones you believe are mundane or unimportant.

If they don’t, your attorney can bring an appeal and win the case on purely procedural grounds. It should be the same here.

The House has no right to vote on impeachment without the Judiciary committee holding hearings and entering the motion to vote.

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Agree to disagree GSC.

It’d be a waste of time if you ask me. They’d all get into a room and ask each other:

-Hey. Did you see that shit?

-Yep. I was right here, and that shit, happened right over there.

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If this trial were a legitimate constitutional tribunal, the Chief Justice would oversee the proceedings. Since it is so manifestly unconstitutional, Chief Justice Roberts refused to take part in the fiasco. Instead the acting judge will be a Democrat member of the Senate, hardly impartial, who voted to remove Trump from office during the first go round. What we are going to see will be much like a Communist Party Show Trial. Disgusting.

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Is there an official reason Robert’s is not overseeing? I’ll have to look.

Edit - this is from SCOTUSblog.com…I’m not advocating for its authenticity - but it appears to make sense:

As Frank Bowman explained in an article for SCOTUSblog before Trump’s first impeachment trial last year, the Constitution requires the chief justice to preside over an impeachment trial for the president. But Trump, who was impeached on Jan. 13 for his role in inciting the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol that left five people dead, including a Capitol police officer, is no longer the president.

In a statement released on Monday, Leahy wrote that the president pro tempore “has historically presided over Senate impeachment trials of non-presidents.” Leahy pledged to adhere to his “constitutional and sworn obligations to administer the trial with fairness.”

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The entire charade should have been ended when Roberts refused to preside over the trial. From a jurisprudence point of view a judge is ethically bound to recusal by even the appearance of partiality. Clearly, Leahy has shown absolute partiality by voting against Trump during the first impeachment. Furthermore, a guilty verdict would be a benefit to both Leahy and his party. It could also be argued that constitutionally the Chief Justice must preside over the trial of the president, or a president. The entire scenario is plainly unfair.

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Bikki - don’t sweat it. The Dems don’t have the numbers to convict. This will be over in 2-3 days.

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The Democrats are so misguided, 51, and their hatred of Donald Trump has become paranoid. No reasonable assessment of the Trump presidency could conclude otherwise than it was a period of profound achievement which included record employment and record economic growth, delivered benefits for all Americans, particularly American minorities, secured America’s borders, defeated America’s terrorist enemies and led to an unprecedented reconciliation between Arab nations and the State of Israel .

Yet Democrat hatred continues unrelentingly. Everybody agrees that our country is in crisis – and agrees that it is the worst crisis since the Civil War. But at the same time, we tell ourselves a comforting tale about the source of the crisis that perpetuates the problem instead of providing a path to ending it. We say our politics are “divisive” and talk about “unity and healing” as though that would miraculously be achieved if everybody stopped… Stopped what? Disagreeing? All politics is divisive. That’s the healthy basis of our constitutional order: the freedom to disagree. To suppress disagreement, to outlaw it – as many Democrats and their Big Tech and media allies – are demanding these days, is to end democracy as we know it. Democrats don’t want unity. They want compliance and revenge. Theirs is the party of unmitigated hatred.and their process to achieve their goals clearly is through fascism. As I’ve said so often that fascists among us are the Democrats and their complicit partners in MSM.

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Bikki - most of the things you’re talking about - in terms of Trump achievements - are external. But he could not combat the internal threats still plaguing us.

-COVID (in the US)

-His unwillingness to try to bring the country together during the social unrest. In fact he did the opposite - he fanned the flames

-And while this was simmering before he became president - our politics has become disturbingly tribal. Same as the above - Trump not only fanned the flames in making this worse - he seemed to enjoy it.

Sure - in debate there’s disagreement and argument. But debate no longer becomes healthy when people a) stop being civil about it, and b) go to the ends of the earth to punish them endlessly if they disagree. Trump is excellent at both of those things.

Aside from COVID - his biggest and most dangerous blunder as president was in convincing a huge portion of this country that the democratic system is unreliable. He’s been saying it for years - and it culminated in the occupation of the capital and the first time since the Civil War that a peaceful transition of power did not happen.

That in and of itself is unforgivable. And it’s weakened our country and our faith in the system - and in one another.

If I’m another opportunistic country, I’d pounce right now.

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Then the whole western world should vote their leaders out of office. Lol thinking in can be “combatted”…Also he tried to combat it with HCQ…And you still haven’t commented on Dr. Peter McCullough commenting on the academic smear committed against the drug which I’ve posted multiple times on here. You yell and scream about covid but then go crickets on items like that…How convenient more blind orange man blame.

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Skeeter - for every doctor that said HCQ works, there are 10 who say it doesn’t.

I sincerely believe that if it truly worked and worked well, we’d use it.

Neither one of us are doctors - we just have to trust those that are, and I know that can be hard.

As for Trump and his COVID response - his failure came mostly in the form of a) downplaying the threat (I understand your opinion that you think it’s not a big deal), b) spreading misinformation about it (disinfectant), c) making fun of mask wearing, and d) criticizing medical doctors who go against what he said publicly.

There’s a reason Trump chose a neuroradiologist to lead the public messaging. Because he knew slightly more about this than Trump - and because he’s a yes man.

Had Trump simply set a good example, history would be kinder to him on this. But it won’t be.

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IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT WORKED OR TO THE LEVEL IT WORKED…GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD…They didn’t say “guys this isn’t doing much/use some tylenol.”…That’s not how any of this went down

Why was it viciously INSTA- smeared?
Why was it published that it caused heart attacks and heart damage? (the media went crazy and ran with that)
Why was the retraction not publicized to that same extent?
Why are other countries using it with some success? Even if it is small success, the fact is it was falsely SMEARED mercilessly here does add it up to a drug that isn’t causing the damage it is said to have caused and giving some relief. McCollough and Baylor fucking university cardiology isn’t a strong enough credible source for you?

If HCQ could have saved 10-30k lives (or hell even if it saved 5000) does that not make it’s smear pure evil that everyone of us should be questioning and ready to fight? I mean I can’t count how many times I’ve heard “every life matters” And we know that it does have some early success, it is doing just that elsewhere. And many doctors are referencing this…Prominent doctors- - NOT “CONSPIRACY THEORISTS”

As for Trump and his COVID response - his failure came mostly in the form of a) downplaying the threat (I understand your opinion that you think it’s not a big deal), b) spreading misinformation about it (disinfectant), c) making fun of mask wearing, and d) criticizing medical doctors who go against what he said publicly.

There’s a reason Trump chose a neuroradiologist to lead the public messaging. Because he knew slightly more about this than Trump - and because he’s a yes man.

There is some much sheepdom here it’s horrifying

The disinfectant thing is pure fucking comedy…You may be the only person in the world still even mentioning it.

Your ratio of 1/10 is so far incorrect it laughable…

d) criticizing medical doctors who go against what he said publicly.Neither one of us are doctors - we just have to trust those that are, and I know that can be hard

My god wake up…You are only believing the doctors that are being given the loudest voice by a grossly biased media.

Atlas approach to covid was beautiful and realistic to anybody worried about what kind of a life and future we will all have after covid…And how soon we will get to it. It was pure common sense. You people don’t give a fuck how bad this fucks over the country…Then will sit there relieved when they usher in “the great reset” to save us from covid damage.

Wake up man, you are lost and your blind faith in people who don’t give one fuck about you is causing this country permanent damage

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Uhhhh, yeah, actually it really does matter.

I’m not here to change your mind. Frankly I don’t care what you think.

I’m just glad you aren’t a doctor.

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51, saying Trump’s failures were internal is a vague generalization. The internal turmoil that gripped the country occurred because blue states allowed the lawlessness to persist and refused to punish the transgressors. In Minnesota, they let thugs burn down entire city blocks. In Portland, they’re still rioting and burning. Antifa and BlM are responsible for 30 deaths and the injuring of over 2,000 police. The failures were not Trump;s but that of Democrat Party governance. Had there been adequate policing, there would have no “insurrection” at the capitol. Again, it is a policing failure of leftist city management…

As for HCG, I’ve seen it work, and it works fast. One friend of mind, looked as if he was at death’s door. He took HCG, and in a half day he was back to near normal. Your assertion that there are ten times more studies showing HCG does not work is simply erroneous. The opposite is true; I’ve read over a hundred studies. It does work, and I have seen it work. HCG is one of the safest drugs in pharmacological history. My own doctor who refused to write me and HCG prescription due to leftist pressure putting a pox on the medication, now admits that it is together with zinc and Zpac is an effective protocol for early onset Covid. Trump was right about HCG, and as many as 100,000 Americans might still be alive had they been treated with medicine. This is a disgrace, and its root source was not science but the hatred of Donald J. Trump, whom I regard as far and away the greatest president of my lifetime. No other president in history ever forswore $1.6 million dollars, his entire presidential salary in service to his country.

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Bikki - 2 things.

Regardless of your praise for Trump, over 80 million people disagreed with you on his performance. And no, the election was not stolen.

Second, I find your quote above laughable. Sure, he did not accept that salary. But he and his family made MUCH MORE than this during his 4 years, all because he was in office. He spent so much more of our money during his time in office than the amount he decided to forego.

I find it refreshing and relaxing knowing that for the first time in 5 years, Trump is no longer dominating the news or Twitter. I find it relaxing knowing that since 1/20, what he says doesn’t matter.

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What does it whether or not it worked for covid have to do with making up lies that it causes heart attacks?