VP Debate

No, this is incorrect afaict. Like I explained in the post above yours, she was tasked with addressing the problems in those countries that sent people away in droves. And there is little data on such a short timeline, but there is some evidence things in some listed countries might have improved as numbers from those countries did go down. But it’s too soon to tell for something like this.

Harris can be credited for the Biden admin just as much as Pence can be credited for the Trump admin.

Curiously, if Trump’s presidency achieved so much, I wonder why Republicans aren’t constantly praising the Pence admin? Is it because VPs don’t really set policy or matter much?

IMO Harris isn’t a complete blank slate, certainly not as much as a non-politician like Trump was, but I would put heavier weight on what she campaigns on now than what she may have done in the past.

I will once again use the Trump admin to illustrate my point. Before he was president, dude could not stop singing the praises of socialized healthcare. He straight up said other countries had better healthcare than we did. I ask you, how did that inform on his presidency?

I would assume she’s left of that, but also that a combination of working with Biden + appealing to a wider audience for the presidency will necessarily move her closer to the middle.

This was the point of your last post, so you’re just repeating yourself now.

My last reply was that identifying factors wasn’t the hard part. You can read what you quoted again since you didn’t seem to properly digest it the first time.

But we needed Harris to do it?

I mean, how much do we really need anything besides food, water, and shelter?

I think you are being incredibly naive and her past record is a clear indicator of what she believes. Her voting record as a Senator is about as far left as you can go.

She knows she has to move to the middle for the campaign. Then when she gets in, I believe it’s abolish the filibuster, pack the courts, change the constitution. Move the country further left. That’s if she gets in and gets both houses of Congress

Why would you ever do that??! What politicians other than Trump remotely keep their promises? You would be foolish to believe her IMO.

The one thing I know she stands for is abortion up to 40 weeks. That is something I am vigorously opposed to and even if she was “moderate” I could never vote for someone like that.

This is an incredibly vague task with no discernible benefit near term and a complete cop out job she was given. We definitely aren’t seeing any fruits of it now and it will be impossible to measure if it worked in the future. I don’t see the point of the “assessment.”

Illegal border crossings in Canada are way up and that never was the case 3-4 years ago. Immigrants are flying into the Vermont sector and coming into the country. She hasn’t improved anything and if her task was to improve something 5-7 years in the future, what’s the point?

How am I being naive if I haven’t even predicted a hard position? I said she’s left of middle but the presidency would push her closer to it than farther left. That much is a no brainer.

Which Trump has threatened to do many times

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/03/trump-wants-the-senate-to-get-rid-of-the-filibuster-good-luck-with-that/
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/25/senate-republicans-filibuster-trump

Which Trump did do

How so?

I dunno, to me it sounds like you’re running down the usual scare tactics. Maybe someone else ran them down on you and you’re the one that’s scared.

I didn’t say believe her. I’m not advocating believing everything politicians say. Even Trump supporters happily ignore all his failed promises.Just about the only thing I can guarantee is that, if Harris did become president, she would definitely have some failed promises too.

What I’m saying is that the office of the president pushed more toward the middle than you can get away with as a lefty or righty congressman. A president’s life is full of compromises, full of deals with the other side, managing a divided congress, catering to states of governors in the opposite color. Presidents also have a long long long line of advisors and federal employees and appointees that filter their personal agenda. I hope I don’t need to continue describing a democracy, but my point is that yes, Harris is totally willing to make compromises to become president, and I think most people who run are.

Well then the one thing you “know” is wrong. Sounds like you’re the gullible one.

Harris essentially wants Roe v Wade codified. She does support post viability (> 21ish weeks) abortions if the life of the mother is at risk though. Maybe you’re okay with killing mothers? That is something i am vigorously opposed to and I could never vote for someone like that.

Who cares?

Besides, it’s only vague because you haven’t looked into it. If you want details, why not read about them?

Oh, right, that’s because you don’t actually want details…

Cry me a river if you don’t see the point of something a politician did once. That’s not exactly a damning attack on anyone.

Yes it’s because so many are getting caught at the southern border.

Is this a serious question? Long-term planning is pretty important to running countries. But I can see how a Trump supporter might not think so.

Identifying the reasons why someone would want to leave one country for the other…Is apparently very very difficult and only can be tasked to problem solver extraordinaire VP Harris.

I’m gonna go with

They are being oppressed or mistreated in some way…But perhaps only relatively speaking…And they have reason to believe this won’t happen in the country they want to go to.

They are running from the law

Anyone got anything else?

Should we talk about (for a third time) that identifying the reasons isn’t the hard part?

No he didn’t. I’m taking about adding justices to the court over the current number and nullifying the votes of the most senior justices.

He just appointed to open positions, that’s not the same thing at all.

Nope, not ok with that at all, but I am definitely not ok with killing the most vulnerable among us. That’s a non negotiable for me.

There have been millions of babies aborted since Roe V Wade. Women dying during birth and abortions and failed pregnancies is tragic but has happened for all of existence. The instances of that happening when saving a baby are rare. Common argument of the left to justify killing babies. Not a new argument.

You are really stretching to try to defend Kamala. I’m not sure why you are going to these lengths other than the fact that you are a hard lefty. Your objectivity seems to me totally out the window with Kamala. It’s sad because you tend to be a good poster in other areas, but on politics you are just way out there.

Kamala just said in the 60 minutes interview that she wouldn’t change a thing that the Harris Biden admin has done! She said “I’ve been part of most of the decisions that have had impact.”

She’s tied to Biden as much as 305 wants to say she isn’t.

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Is that the same Benny Johnson who attacked transgenders and gays until he was caught looking at tranny porn, then admitted he was gay? Is that the same Benny Johnson who’s repeatedly been fired for lying in stories and plagiarism? Is that the SAME Benny Johnson caught being paid by Russia to promote their interests in his posts and podcasts as a part of Tenet Media?

You sure do know how to pick em’.

So, once again - they’re entirely okay with killing the mother and not concerned, at any point or in any way, with the health of the mother…the person already alive, born, etc.

Never the Pro-Life party - only the pro-birth party

Nope, that’s a stupid red herring argument by the left. Next.

Not true at all. Next argument from the baby killing supporter?

There are quite a few families of dead women who disagree with you. Of course, once they’re out of the womb, you don’t care in the slightest.