Ukraine

I think by now 305 realizes that I was correct in my judgment relating to Ukraine. Biden has done incredible damage to the country and to this end no issue overshadows that of the world impact of the war in Ukraine.

Far and away the most astute commentator on this subject is Col Doug MacGregor whom I regard as a redoubtable scholar. Watch his latest appearance on Rumble in which he describes the declining American state under the miserable Biden stewardship.

About Europe freezing and capitulating over the winter? WRONG.

About the might of the “real” Russian army who, 2 months into an offensive, still can’t take Bakhmut? WRONG.

About the missile strikes destroying Ukraine’s power grid? WRONG.

In fact, I struggle to think of one single prediction of yours that has come true. Care to share?

I know you’re getting up there in years, bikki. Your problem is that everybody else’s memory isn’t as short as yours.

My memory is like that of an elephant. Both DeSantis and Trump intelligently call for peace rather than permitting Ukrainians to commit mass suicide.

Here’s an interesting comment about Western wokism by Russia’s exceptional Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova:

“The experiments of the “enlightened West” on sex change in children, the persecution of doctors who believe that there are only two sexes, the perverted interpretation of juvenile law, the destruction of the institution of the family, the replacement of “mom” and “dad” with degenerate terms “parent A” and “parent B”, the propaganda of perversions among minors – all these are not annoying accidents, but a large-scale policy in NATO-centric countries. And those states that, like Hungary, are trying to resist within the Alliance, are being subjected to real persecution.”

This is a long read but worth it. The conservative estimate is that for every Russian soldier that is KIA Ukraine is losing at least 5. If Russia is fighting a war of attrition then there’s no chance for Ukraine to hold off and win this war. The math is starting to work out in Russia’s favor as they have made gradual gains in territory.

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1637808249616359426?t=Ie-4K_VnQKarS_ZAQyIT0w&s=19

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1637808855261249540?t=icuUdwmaSQlvhwMPs9zcWw&s=19

Some more maps about Russian advancements in Ukraine

It’s a blog post by… some guy? What are his credentials?

Either way I didn’t find it very illuminating.

This is not what the blog post says. It says that some credible estimates from NATO and others show Ukraine with a 5:1 advantage, and “other Western sources” that he doesn’t bother to cite say as bad as 10:6 in Russia’s favor.

I’d like to know where you got Russia 5:1 from?

Anyway, the common and reasonable belief is that Russia, as the attacker, is suffering more casualties. Even this blogger says this:

The objective is to hold strong positions which maximize enemy deaths while sparing your own fighter’s lives. The strategic defensive is the ideal configuration.

He neglects to mention that Ukraine is the one on the strategic defensive for the majority of this war.

Those advances are PALTRY. Russia mobilized, trained, and prepared for this BIG OFFENSIVE, and they have taken kilometers of ground since the year started.

In 3 months, Russia hasn’t even taken back 5% of what Ukraine did in the Kherson and Kharkiv counteroffensives. NOT EVEN 5%. Are you seriously going to worry about those minor advances?

Russia is literally throwing everything they have left at Ukraine and not doing much. Yes, they will take Bakhmut eventually. Yes, they will take Adlivka. But these “wins” are meaningless.

Keep in mind, Ukraine’s depleted front line units are TDF (territorial defense forces). These are NOT their proper military. These units are being trained up and equipped by NATO for a future offensive.

Now, I don’t want to sound like bikki and write checks my ass can’t cash. I can’t and won’t tell you for sure how much ass Ukraine is going to kick when their offensive starts. But what I will say is that we can’t judge how this war will go until we see them try.

We already witnessed what Russia’s offensive can accomplish. The answer was not much. Now let’s wait for Ukraine’s turn and decide then.

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MAN JUNIOR COSTANZA STUGOTZ CAN’T HELP HIMSELF……

SO BIDEN ASKED PUTIN FOR PERMISSION YET PUTIN IS GETTING HIS ASS KICKED……

https://trib.al/e5w0pw2

PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA WALKING AROUND UKRAINE BECAUSE HE CAN……

IMAGINE BEING AN ADULT HUMAN AND BELIEVING THE 2ND BIGGEST / BEST MILITARY WOULD GET TAKEN DOWN AT THEIR OWN BORDER BY A MICKEY MOUSE MILITARY….

@thre305ive

YOU SURE ABOUT ALL THIS UKRAINE STUFF YOU POST ABOUT JUNIOR?

Difficult to say where the truth lies with this conflict, but I don’t know if I would trust NATO sources.

Is Clare Daly from Ireland and the sources she quotes trustworthy; not sure either - 'Ukraine is burning through a generation of men' - MEP Clare Daly- speech from 15 Mar 2023 - YouTube

Safe to say the war should be over if Biden and the US want it to be over, but the war persists.

WHEN XI AND PUTIN SAY THEY ARE BRINGING CHANGE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 100 YEARS……

PUTIN IS DONE IN UKRAINE XI IN TAWIAN IS NEXT……

You mean Clare Daly who described Russia’s troop buildup as purely defensive and has been a Russian apologist since her inception? That Clare Daly? The same Clare Daly who openly supported Algirdas Paleckis, who was convicted of spying for Russia? Why don’t you just ask RT for your answer?
You do realize NATO and the US are on the same side, right? Russia is on the other? Is that not clear?

Also, Biden didn’t start the war. Putin did. They’ve openly said they’re not stopping at Ukraine and going to Poland next. This is the 8th invasion of sovereign country Putin has executed since he came to power.
At what point do you decide you’re on Team America or Team Russia? There’s not a secret America team that supports Russia too. Storm is on Russia’s side. He’s against the US and anything that benefits the US. He even praises China now.

What about you? What team are you on?

STORM, once again supporting whomever is the enemy of the US.

Sure, but let’s not pretend quoting random pro-Russia posters is MORE credible.

The fact of the matter is that Russia’s gains since Summer 2022 have been miserably small, and since that same point Ukraine has gained 20 times as much territory, or more.

Safer to say if Russia wanted the war over, it would be over, or if Ukraine wanted to surrender, the war would be over. Putting this on Biden alone is a bit much, and definitely bearing the brunt of the reason for war is ridiculous.

WHAT IF STORM TELLS YOU THE US MILITARY IS ASSISTING RUSSIA AND CHINA?

WOW LOOK WHO FAKE PRESIDENT BIDEN PUT IN CHARGE OUT THERE……

I never said Biden started the war, but stated if Biden wanted the war to end he could end it. The EU if it and its members wanted the war to end, they could end it. Neither Biden nor the EU have even attempted to have discussions around a peaceful end.

Warden and 305, you both insist that if anyone challenges or questions what is reported they are automatically pro-Russia and anti-American. I thought you two were smarter than that and possessed the ability to understand nuance in a world of gray.

For instance, to say Russia is wrong for invading a sovereign nation doesn’t mean you necessarily are pro-Ukraine. And, to disagree with what Ukraine has done at times during this war like attacking civilians, using schools as barracks and claiming Russia is attacking schools (again, not including context) doesn’t mean one is pro-Russia.

Both of you claim you want integrity and honesty in discussions, but are quick to return to talking points while refusing to acknowledge context or nuance. Russia may not have gained a tremendous amount of land as 305 keeps repeating, but they have gained territory recently and have increased their Ukrainian kill count which lends some credence to the idea that Russia may very well be fighting a war of attrition more than singularly focused on occupying Ukrainian territory - for now.

Regarding NATO 305, sure the US is a member state and a significant driving force within the organization. However, NATO’s actions toward Russia since 1991 (regardless of the president including Trump) has been nothing short of provocative. Agreements made in 1991 between NATO and Russia regarding future member states bordering Russia’s border have been ignored and outright disrespected. Again, NATO’s actions for the last 30 years have been anti-Russian without merit which provides important context to why Putin did what he did - AGAIN I don’t agree with his actions but I can understand the perspective.

@Warden84
@thre305ive

NOW WHAT?

Well, there’s quite a bit of nuance to that as well that you’re not representing. First, there was no formal agreement, nothing on paper, whatsoever. It was a verbal agreement with Gorbachev via George HW Bush, while the Warsaw Pact was still in effect, after the fall of the wall in Berlin in 1989, and relating specifically to East Germany…at least, according to one side. Russia, obviously, sees it quite differently.

But, NATO hasn’t been forcing its way into countries like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania…Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia, formally a part of Yugoslavia. These were countries who’d been dominated by force for nearly 70 years, their sovereignty stripped from them, and it’s natural their main concern for their own national security was to align themselves with someone who’d protect them from having to be taken back into the fold of another nation and to lose their sovereignty

I do see it as natural for Russia to feel this way, and considering their population essentially makes them null and void and no longer in existence by 2050 without securing the 9 passages, totally makes sense. That, however, doesn’t make it right or benefiting the Western way of life or the United States, of which I am a citizen.

Let’s work through the context…yes? Prior to WWII, the empires battled it out over resources. In order to succeed, you needed food, coal, iron, etc. When you wanted something you lacked, you were essentially taking it away from someone else. Nations fought. After WWII, the US had the only standing Navy, pretty much. We guaranteed the world that we’d secure the shipping lanes, lend our Navy to the world common to protect shipping and trade. This meant you don’t need all of the basic resources to succeed, you just needed 1 to trade for the rest. This is globalization or free trade. This is what allowed the world to industrialize together…starting from different points and at different speeds, but we all somewhat progressed in the same general direction.
However, in doing so, you move the population centers from the historic subservient, farming infrastructures to industrialized, urban centers. That’s where the jobs are; that’s where the food is. However, this has another major implication - when you were on a farm or an agricultural base, children were a resource. They were free labor.

When you move into an industrialized infrastructure, children are a cost center and you have less of them. We aren’t running out of children, globally. That already happened 30 years ago. Now, we’re running out of working aged adults.
THIS is the foundation of both Russia’s aggression since Putin and China’s impending involvement. Both are fucked. Demographically, we’re actually in pretty good shape. Russia has more people in their 50s than all the rest, though they’ve tried to lie a few times about their teenage population. From 1992-2012 and again starting in 2016, their death rate exceeded their birth rate. Since the pandemic in 2020, they’ve experienced the largest peacetime population decline in history.
They have 9 historical access points and after 1991, only controlled 2. After Crimea, they controlled 3. From their perspective, this is their last attempt to even save their ethnicity and go out on their own terms. If they don’t control their access points, they view themselves as being seated at the base of hostile entities on their borders (NOT NATO in this case) and having no ability to stop them.
So, is respecting a sovereign nation’s attempt to preserve their own state and rights is a reasonable request, I think. Russia’s preservation depends on taking over those nations, removing their sovereignty, to ensure their own security. However, their population is what it is and by 2050-2060, it’s over anyway. The idea is the secure themselves enough to push a population surge and keep Russia alive, ethnically.

China is in the same boat, but far worse. China is over right now. It’s not a coincidence they are now working together and not a coincidence people like Storm are supporting whomever is against the US, whether it be Russia or China.

But, in the end, there was no formal agreement. A verbal agreement was made by the US President in 1989 under the existing Warsaw Pact and eventually, was not lived up to after the Warsaw Pact was removed. NATO didn’t recruit these countries; they lobbied to get in. It could be said GW Bush allowed them in to get their support for invading Iraq, and that has merit. But, for a nation to want security so their historical controller doesn’t take them over again is pretty reasonable. It comes down to whether you believe nations have a right to be sovereign or not.

Good. Great. That’s fantastic. NATO protects sovereign nations from being taken over. Russia had taken over Georgia and annexed Crimea. Great work Nato. That’s the point of the organization.

You, however, cheer for our enemies…whomever they might be, doesn’t matter to you.

Imagine if Russia was doing the same with Mexico or Canada. Would you read it the same way?

How is this a wirthwhile statement to make though?

If Putin wanted the war to end he could end it.

If Zelensky wanted the war to end he could end it.

Did we accomplish anything yet?

Anyway, The US position is not as definitive as the two above, so it’s a weird point to focus on. Biden could end his support for the war, but Ukraine would still fight. They would still defend. Things might not look good for them, but they wouldn’t lie down and roll over.

Neither has Russia. So again, is there a point or are you just flapping your gums?

When does this happen? Have I ever accused you of either?

You are laying a whole bunch of stuff at my feet right now that has nothing to do with anything I said. I’m sorry you feel so persecuted about your views, but it’s not because of me. I’m sorry that Russia gained less than 5% of what Ukraine did since last summer. I don’t take that personally - neither should you.

Again, welcome to last summer. This has been a slow war of attrition since the battle for Severodonetsk. This is not news. Both sides are parties to it.

First of all, FULL STOP here. Old agreements were made with the Soviet Union. Those agreements are no longer in effect.

Secondly, there never was a formalized agreement about border states. Please link me to the treaty if you find it. I would love to read it.

Thirdly, why the fuck does Russia have a say over what its “border states” do? So you’re saying that Ukraine is disrespecting Russia for wanting to join the EU? To join NATO? Too bad so sad. Is Russia going to take their ball and go home? Is this global geopolitics or a playground?

No one respects a crybaby. Maybe that’s why Putin’s losing his soft power. Maybe that’s why Kazahkstan refused to back to war, or why Azerbaijan is provoking Armenia. Hell, they just killed TWO Russian peacekeepers in the last week. You think that’s because they respect Russia? You think Russia is going to lift a finger to protect Armenia?