Ya I’ll disagree but it’s not a strong disagreement. I can live with it. I don’t think many women can…And when it gets down to it, I don’t think they should be expected to.
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Warden’s reply to my comment on the Supreme Court is illustrative of his lack of knowledge of Constitutional Law and the legal concept of stare decisis, i.e., that when an issue before the court once decided, should not be revisited. However, there are occasions, such as the examples that I named in my post, where fidelity to the doctrine of stare decisis should be responsibly abrogated. This rare doctrinarian deviation occurs when there is credible evidence that an issue has been wrongly decided which is the premise of Samuel Alito’s recently released brief. Obviously, Warden is not aware of the wrangling that has occurred within the American judiciary stemming from the activist rulings of the Warren Court. So, in my post, I welcome the return of more strict interpretation of the law wherein the judiciary does not act as a super legislature but abides by a duty to say what the law is, not what it should be.
Again, Warden’s post is snide and uncivil as was his ad hominem attack on Skeeter. It also show a shallowness of knowledge
I will also correct Warden on the state basketball championship won by Pensacola Booker T. Washington High School in 1970. The team was the greatest HS basketball team ever assembled in the State of Florida. It’s team members were: Steve William (F), first black basketball player at UF, Larry Drake (F), Lawrence McCray (C), Winifred Lewis (g), Cameron White (g) , Bertram DuPont 6th man. The Miami Herald proclaimed Carol City’s squad as Florida’s best team, perhaps its best to date. Carol City was undefeated. B.T. Washington defeated Carol City by over thirty points to win the title. The Washington High center Lawrence McCray played for FSU in their lone collegaite national championship game against UCLA. Bertram DuPont was a small college All-American at Dilliard University.
Numerically, odds are in their favor
Even without inflation, there would be another red insurgence. History isn’t very kind after the first two years.
I get it. A huge reason abortion is chosen is affordability (medical costs, daycare, little if any paid leave). To me “it costs too much” is not a reason for infanticide.
There is absolutely no benefit to conservatives leaking the news.
There are, multiple benefits, for the democrats.
Any moron can see this.
If you interviewed 100,000 women, I bet you 99% or more of them deeply regret their abortions. Most, have trauma from the experience.
The reason is because, at the core, everyone knows it’s a child…. Everyone knows it’s the ending of an innocent life…. Everyone knows it’s morally wrong.
And people champion this stuff. It’s disgusting.
Big deal. I got the year wrong. I referred to the 1969-70 academic year. The tournament was played in 1970. I wrote the post from memories dating back 52 years.
Indeed, I was correct about Pensacola Washington winning the tournament by more than 30 pts. That team was better even than the legendary Sarasota team led by Howard Porter usually named Florida’s best high school team in history.
The problem with the abortion debate is that both sides have dug in so far that there isn’t any rational debate.
If you polled most Americans and said can we at least limit abortion up until you hear a heartbeat that would be a widely popular thing. Maybe make some exceptions in extreme cases.
But that’s not what the left is arguing. They want to allow abortion up until birth. That’s not at all a popular stance in America.
This hand wringing over cascading effects of banning RvW is just fear mongering. Send it back to the states and allow the people to decide.
First, as usual, you are just so off in both your understanding of the subject matter but your willingness to recognize reality.
First, you hear a heartbeat at 6 weeks. Most women don’t even know they are pregnant until weeks 5-7. Giving a woman a week to make the decision is outlandish, at least.
Secondly, your thought of what is popular in America and what isn’t is wildly inaccurate. You do come from the state where the governor enacted a law essentially requiring funerals for miscarriages.
Last month, only 30% of the country supported overturning Roe V Wade and only 27% wanted to hand it over to the states.
54% support abortion rights and believe they should have a Constitutional amendment protecting.
59% think abortion should be legal in ALL cases.
Only 13% would prefer their state ban all abortions
I think we can debate an in between for sure, but you’re flatly incorrect. The LEFT isn’t fighting for abortions to be legal up until birth. 42 states currently have bans on late term abortion. Only 1.3% of all abortions happen after 21 weeks and less than 1% after 24 weeks.
It’s revealing, however, that your environment in Indiana has you thinking this way, though. Interesting.
The left wants the right to an abortion as codified in Roe V Wade. The left isn’t fighting for anything other than status quo. It’s the right wing who’s been trying to ban abortion 100% for 50 years and has it as the litmus test for conservatism. Ending Roe V Wade is IN THE GOP platform.
Seriously, it’s remarkable how off you are in your understanding of what’s going on and where people are on what
I don’t think your polling numbers are accurate.
But regardless, the laws that many in the left have been whining about ban abortion at 15 weeks! You don’t think that’s enough time to figure out that you have a baby? That’s four months.
And the right is gaining ground in the debate because of science. Like that? With science you can see that it is a human life. The technology is fantastic. Your side are the radicals that want to kill babies that have heartbeat and are coming along in development at 15 weeks.
It’s a sick cult man. Sick sick people.
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This is absolutely fair to say. The left says people should be free to do what they want with their bodies. To me this line is simply deflection away from responsibility. Pregnancies will happen unplanned. Happens all the time. I just don’t see how that’s an excuse for murder. Pregnancy due to rape - absolutely awful situation and the rapist should face justice. Still……did the baby cause this? Why do they deserve to die?
Remember the (former) VA governor who once suggested we allow “alive abortions?” Cases where a baby may be born with abnormalities, and are “kept comfortable” until the mother decides whether to keep it or not? He was literally supporting infanticide.
You’re damn right people are dug in. And from the right, killing innocent life (outside of a direct threat to the life of the mother) is not negotiable. It’s simply wrong.
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It’s dramatically popular. Always has been. That’s why the right isn’t talking about the actual issue, they are trying to change it to the leak. It’s been the single most consistent part of the platform for 50 years and they don’t want to talk about it.
See, here is another example of how you’ve got the context incorrect. You just said in the earlier post that the left is fighting to abortion up to birth. That’s false. Then, you say they want it beyond 15 weeks. What recent state’s attack on abortion had 15 weeks? None. In fact, most of the recent laws make it 100% no abortions and even allow the people involved down to the Uber driver to get sued. In some states, they are trying to charge women with murder even if they go out of state.
Right below your post, you have Canes51 showing you who’s doing the fighting and who’s dug in and who wants it 100% their way, no matter what, no ands if or buts. The right wing.
These people want to legally force a woman to carry to term a rapist’s baby. Think of the psychological damage of that and how overwhelmingly cruel that is. Hell, the other day they were debating in Oklahoma or Missouri why there was an exception relating to abortion during an ectopic pregnancy, asking why that exception existed and he wanted it out. He didn’t even know that meant the fertilized egg implants outside the uterus and cannot result in a baby and can kill the mother. They didn’t give a shit, didn’t care to know, nada. Who’s the extremist here?
Canes51, who’s normally reasonable and fact checks shit, totally took the whiff on the VA issue. That’s what this topic does to these people.
Btw -
Northam was referring to “third-trimester abortions” that are done in cases “where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non viable” he said. “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,” Northam stated.
This comment was quickly addressed by Republican commentators who, as reported by Vox here , took his words as “an endorsement of infanticide”.
At the time, a spokesperson for Northam told Vox the “governor had ‘absolutely not’ been referring to the euthanasia of infants born after a failed abortion” and that he was talking about a “tragic and extremely rare case in which a woman with a nonviable pregnancy or severe fetal abnormalities went into labor.”
But, yes, if you and I were making law and compromising, I’d be fine at 15 weeks. Though, I’d ask that we both leave and let two chicks have the debate instead.
I’ll go on record here - I think criminalizing the doctor performing the abortion is appropriate. Prosecuting a woman for seeking one is rediculous, IMO. So is allowing other citizens to sue. They’ve lost nothing in the situation.
I don’t need to repeat my view on this. It is above.
Did they simply not know what that was, or did they know what it was and didn’t care? Not knowing - and knowing and not giving a shit - are two different things. Obviously an ectopic pregnancy cannot work and will kill the mother. In this case, the pregnancy must end.
Having trouble where you think I whiffed. That’s exactly the line I was referring to.
That’s the basis of the Mississippi law and others right?
They are both banning abortion at 15 weeks. Totally reasonable and the left went crazy on those. This was months ago.
I think everyone who supports abortion - especially for the sake of convenience - should witness one. They should watch a doctor poison and dismember a fetus, pulling body parts out one by one.
I can understand advocating for women’s rights. But I find it curious the left refuses to even acknowledge or talk about what happens for the baby. And for good reason. If I supported abortion I wouldn’t want to think about it either.
Looks like 20 weeks, I read just now. I’m sure the left went crazy. Same thing if you do literally ANYTHING relating to guns, the right wing starts talking about a slippery slope and it’ll lead to banning guns.
All these states are putting restrictions on abortion and abortion rights supporters are screaming they’re trying to remove Roe Vs Wade.
Well, turns out they were right, huh?
98% of all abortions are done with a pill. You appear to believe we’re living in 1930 when you’re describing abortion procedures. You know what happens? Ever watched it? I have…I paid for it.
This is, of course, where we disagree vehemently. I think you’re against it, no matter what, even in cases of rape and incest, because you’re Catholic. My response to that is, until your church stops fucking kids and hiding it, Catholics don’t get a say in the debate. Am I wrong? Maybe.
But, it’s pretty clear that one side is reasonable and up for discussion and the other is not, under any circumstances including rape and incest, and up to the point of legally attacking the mother for murder, the doctor for murder, and even suing the cab driver or the next door neighbor for knowing about it.
Pretty clear who’s being unreasonable.
That makes it completely fine now.
I am Catholic. It’s the chief reason why I don’t believe in it, among other reasons.
And the abuse scandal is a scourge on the church. A horrible, awful thing. And those guilty of these crimes need to be put under the jail.
That topic is also entirely separate of the abortion debate, so let’s stay on task.
Giving all children a chance to live life and give life a chance is unreasonable? So, fuck ‘em, basically? Sorry kid - you had bad luck and wound up in the wrong uterus? Ok.
If they had a voice, what do you think they would choose?