This is when you go in and physically hurt motherfuckers.
Try this on my kids and I’ll be the next 20-20 special.
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So many cases of this bullshit…These assholes literally consider the parents the enemy.
Really? Why? They didn’t force that decision upon them. The kid made the choice themselves. Sounds like the parents and the kids have a bad relationship and maybe the parents should work on being better parents rather than scapegoating the school.
They are pre-teen…They aren’t fit to make that decision
I wouldn’t say we know enough to say they have a bad relationship…But it does seem like the children are clearly going through some things. I’m sure the parents aren’t perfect, but they do seem to be trying to get help for the kids. The guidance counselor doesn’t get to perform her own “help” her way, keeping it secret from the parents
It’s really that simple.
They aren’t taking any medication changing or altering their hormones. They aren’t cutting off their privates. Their self perceived sexuality seems to be something that’s private to them. If a kid decides they are Mormon and not Presbyterian, does the school have an obligation to tell the parents? If the parents don’t like Jews and the kid is dating a Jewish person, does the school have an obligation to tell the parents? If someone suspects the student is sexually active, do they have an obligation to tell the parents?
No. Parents need to parent. Schools need to school. The kids were doing nothing physically to alter their gender or sex or whatever. They just decided they dug the same sex and wanted to be called a different name. I don’t feel they are under any obligation to tell the parents shit about that. It doesn’t put the kid in harm, alter their hormones or anything else like that. Sounds again like the parents are scapegoating the school for not being good parents and talking to their kids
It’s really that simple
At that age…Yes to all of that.
It’s really that simple.
That’s quite big brother of you. Kind of surprising to have you agree to scapegoating a school for the lack of parenting by the parents.
That’s quite big brother of you. Kind of surprising to have you agree to scapegoating a school for the lack of parenting by the parents.
How do you know it was a lack of parenting?
This guidance counselor should be minding her own fucking business and reporting every bit of progress or problem to the parent…Or hell maybe it’s neither problem or progress. Any communication or behavior at all. Not keeping things a secret.
The only time a guidance counselor should clash with a parent is when they see signs of abuse or neglect…And then they can go through the proper channels.
You don’t secretly conspire with a fucking 11 year old.
If you don’t know your kid is struggling mentally, struggling with their sexuality, you’re failing as a parent. How many examples over the years of gay kids getting outed in this way or that to parents who either physically abuse them over it or kick them out entirely?
There is no secretly conspiring going on. The kid feels a certain way and to no harm to themselves or others and asked the teachers to respect their decision, to be nice and considerate, and call them whatever they want.
According to the 2014 ACA Code of Ethics, you would be incorrect as the guiding documentation for counselors states they are under no obligation to tell parents if a student is gay, thinks their gay, whatever. The student isn’t harming themselves.
Sounds like parents aren’t parenting to me and they want to scapegoat the school for their lack of interest in their child’s life. I think its great the student has an outlet they can talk to confidentially, as long as no harm or abuse is going on. If you take that away, you’re systematically taking away any outlet for a kid struggling during what seems to them to be remarkably difficult and trying times of growing up. Make the counselor pass off every conversation to the parents and you remove the use of the counselor itself.
They did know. Article says so
According to the 2014 ACA Code of Ethics, you would be incorrect as the guiding documentation for counselors states they are under no obligation to tell parents if a student is gay, thinks their gay, whatever.
Totally disagree…That is just awful.
There is no secretly conspiring going on.
Lol…Then what would you call it?
I think its great the student has an outlet they can talk to confidentially,
Fuck no…It’s overstepping horrendously
How many examples over the years of gay kids getting outed in this way or that to parents who either physically abuse them over it or kick them out entirely
Non-pertinent. There are good and bad parents…There are good and bad counselors
Warden is comparing assisting a prepubescent child in changing their sexual identity to changing your religion or dating someone.
What a maniac but par for the course.
The bottom line is that Warden is bullshitting here. If this was his kid he’d be flipping tables, and he knows it. What an asshole for trying to play devil’s advocate on this one.
They aren’t taking medications or involved in any medical procedures. They are simply stating to a counselor in confidence that they think they like a different gender and want to be called a different name.
Again, sounds like you’re scapegoating the school for a lack of parenting.
Just another example of the guy who supports authoritarianism, communism (govt takeover of private industry), and an overwhelming lack of integrity wanting to scapegoat educational institutions for a basic lack of parenting skills and parental interest. Kind of pathetic, but par for the course with you.
I am, by no means, playing devil’s advocate. I think the kid needs someone to talk to if their parents don’t want or don’t have the ability to talk with them about it. I’d rather have a counselor having these convos than the kid to off themselves because they had nowhere to turn.
We have no proof there is any of these things…The counselor should be talking with the parents.
How the parents reacted and the fact that the kid’s siblings were involved, coupled with the reaction by the parents that they are getting the child “mental health treatment” for their sexual identity or sexual preference is evidence.
I disagree but am not surprised by your position. These are the same arguments used when they attacked counselors for merely talking to a gay kid and not telling the parents they are gay. No bother to me. The world is riddled with people who’s parents weren’t accepting, weren’t trusting and attacked everyone around them except themselves for their parenting decisions…and many I suspect grew up and don’t talk to their parents anymore. Its unfortunate that these two kids are having options of whom to talk to about these things removed from their lives due to shitty parenting.
Warden has an interesting argument about privacy, and should students be allowed to tell counselors something in confidence.
That argument doesn’t quite apply here since the student announced her gender preferences to the whole school.
Warden is also blaming the parents for being ignorant of their child’s problems. This is also not the case here since the parents already know about the subject. In fact, they are already in the process of private counseling and they have already asked the school not to have private conversations with their kids on the subject.
Skeeter’s position is also weird. He says:
This guidance counselor should be minding her own fucking business and reporting every bit of progress or problem to the parent
So which is it? Should the counselor mind their business or should they be a spy? The two things don’t track. I would say absolutely that a school counselor’s job is NOT to be a spy for the parent. If a parent wants control over something like that, they should seek a private education establishment that agrees with them.
Potentially, but not listed. There is no indication of the mental health treatment was before or after said incident. It did say they asked the school not to have conversations with their kids about gender issues, but at what time? Could be right, not sure. It wasn’t clear in the article. But, you could definitely be right.
Dunno, if the kid was physically doing something like trying to start medical treatment or something, I could definitely see telling the parents.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying
By “mind your own business” I don’t mean ignore the kid…But the counselor should be working with the parents, and then tiebreaker OBVIOUSLY (again as long as no abuse or things like that nature are being reported) goes to the parents and their preferred course of action. NEVER Should a counselor, (I mean maybe you can win me over at age 16 or so or at least meet ya half way but for 95% of it again imo no…be doing ANYTHING behind the parents back or without the parents knowledge with kids in this 11-14 year old age range, besides GO TO THE AUTHORITIES, PROPER CHANNELS, if a kid is being phyiscially, sexually, etc abused…Then all bets are off
I agree on most of the things where you differed from Warden’s approach to points in the article. I took most of it the same way
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Ehhh this is where I will never understand some of you maniacs
There is no proof of what you are saying here in this instance…And obviously I digress if there is CLEAR CUT EXAMPLES and would be willing to meet you half way or in the case of abuse, neglect, etc…Even join your stance. But generally speaking “the world is riddled” with a lot of different shit for a whole lot of different reasons and some for no reason other than LIFE/WAY THE BALL BOUNCES/DIFFERENT STROKES DIFFERENT FOLKS… Trying to save the world from every little imperfection, in this case, what you (With nowhere near enough evidence imo) deem to be imperfect parenting…Kids/teenagers/young adults can end up a fucking mess for a variety of reasons, or as the result of parenting that you may consider to be better methods. Even if the parent doesn’t react the EXACT way that counselor would. It is not that counselor’s place to overrule a parent. Some things CAN’t be solved, let alone the way (And I’m not saying I know every point of your preferred approach here) you or the counselor want them to be…Others don’t need to be solved…Kids can come from shitty parents and end up damn productive humans too. Stop trying to control every little thing!
At 11-13 years old…A child should not have secrets with their guidance counselor. Point blank period. Who he/she wants to kiss/hug/fuck/dress like are only a few parts of their development and may be confusing them (we can argue about why now more so than ever), but it is definitely the parents business. Hell many of these kids change their mind the next week anyway, even with something regarding sexuality which imo is more because they are trying to fit into a society than their actual preferences/urges …I know this because my progressive ex( a teacher) told me how some of these teenagers (high schoolers in her case) basically change their identity/ preferences/pronouns, all that jazz seemingly every other week…Teenagers have always “found” themselves during these years in different ways. But none of this excuses a guidance counselor hiding things from parents.
Don’t agree at all. I’d venture to guess it is more common to NOT know (in either case) than it is to know.
That’s a societal failure.
Or it’s society’s problem for confusing them
All of a sudden nobody knows? All of a sudden everyone needs a sex change too right?? (obvious exaggeration but point stands).
Did this idiot really type that it’s more common to not know which sex you are attracted to?
The shit these grown men will convince themselves of once they get a little bit of liberal snatch…Mind boggling