The greatest insult to minorities is the premise that they are incapable of obtaining voter I.D.s. It is absolutely cretinous to allow persons to vote without identifying themselves. No wonder, Trump is the “common sense” candidate.
I can get behind a statement like this. The election process does need to be tightened up. The way I see it. If you want to do something and it has prerequisites that must be completed first, you will do what is required. Voter ID is no different. If I’m correct, most state DMV offer free ID cards. I know they do in SC. There is no reason at all for any law abiding citizen to not have an ID.
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I understand people frustrated by the election being stolen talk. With no proof it comes across as sore loser talk. You have to have proof that not only was there fraud but that it had consequences on the election. That’s the key. It’s really hard to prove that.
All I want is to have confidence that the system is as tight as possible and there aren’t any loopholes. It won’t ever be perfect. Just take care of some of this low hanging fruit and give people more confidence in the system. That’s all I’m asking.
They do that and most people are fine to let the chips fall where they may.
That’s all anyone can ask. Y’all have seen me say this before and I will say it again. Was there shady stuff that happened? More probable than not. Was there widespread fraud? No, but I would definitely not find it hard to believe that some isolated, yet non related stuff occurred. With that said there are 2 things that I will never be convinced of.
- You will never convince me that the Democrats cheated and the Republicans didn’t try to.
- You will never convince me that the Republicans cheated and the Democrats didn’t try to.
First off for some election worker to risk their freedom to rig an election, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Next, you had a ton cases go to court and trump and his lawyers did not win one case. Zero - o-fer. Georgia as well as Arizona was run by republicans. Pennsylvania vote counting was witnessed by reps on both sides. In four years there has been zero proof brought forward. If there was any proof of it trump and his team would have already found it.
I’m fine with this take. But if this is the case, can you answer this simple question?
Why are the Democrats by and large resistant to requiring voter I.D? If it’s required in all walks of life for all types of things, what would be the motivation in this case to oppose it?
I do not know the answer to this question. The Voter ID law never bothered me. It’s simple, you want to vote, have an ID. Don’t make something hard when it doesn’t have to be. If you have to register to vote, more probable than not, you probably applied for a permit, license, or some form of state identification at some point in life to get a job/be able to legally drive or what have you.
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That you’re arguing with yourself.
I think making bold accusations without proof is fairly controversial. Even more controversial? The fact that 4 years later there’s STILL no proof. This is why most people have moved on.
I’m not saying the election was stolen. I’m saying least secure with the most rule changes late in the game and all of the other things mentioned above. Those are all true.
I think you are conflating arguments.
Fair…
Funny, Trump always uses mail in voting
Wipe your chin
Funny, nobody brings up how the GOP fought against any election security measure until they lost
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/politics/republican-senators-block-election-security-legislation/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/482569-senate-gop-blocks-three-election-security-bills/
False. Drop boxes have been used for 2 decades and commonly used in states where voting is by mail, like Republican-led Utah.
“Counties have added additional drop boxes almost every year since 2014,” said Justin Lee, Utah’s director of elections. “We haven’t had any security problems, and we have no indication that drop boxes favor one party over another party.”
8 states have permanent laws that expressly allow drop boxes and 34 states have used them or intend to use them this year.
In 2016 approximately .6% of mail-in ballots were rejected due to signature mismatches. In 2020, it decreased to around .3%. A decrease for sure, but not by a negligible amount.
Like what?
A water main broke at 6am and was back up by 8am on a single day which briefly delayed the counting of absentee ballots. That’s hardly an anomaly. State Farm Arena has had several water main breaks recently, including 2016 and again in 2019.
16 of 20 were back up that day, needing a simple adjustment to printer settings.
You wouldn’t have had a lack of confidence if you’d have won.
I think its pretty clear who doesn’t care about free and fair elections, the very ones who attacked 144 police officers and tried to overturn a free and fair election. That wasn’t the Democrats. Democrats aren’t on record saying Biden will declare himself the winner and claim victory no matter what happens, that was Bannon about Trump. Democrats aren’t on record saying it doesn’t matter who votes or how you vote, it only matters who counts. That was Roger Stone benefitting Trump.
False. You just lost.
Because Democrats believe every legal citizen should vote and be allowed to vote. Republicans have for decades been on record publicly stating that the fewer people who vote, the better they do. “It just is and the facts are damning.”
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Is this the primary reason Republicans are often accused of voter suppression?
You cannot have a valid election without voter ID, a prohibition of mail-in ballots, and no voting machines. It’s just that simple. France does it in one day, and the next day the French know the identity of the winner.
Democrats want to steal the election by allowing illegal immigrants to vote.
We’re liable to have a stolen election as was the case in 2020. And afterward, rational humans, knowing the election was stolen, would be castigated as “election deniers.”
How curious that you have zero problem with Utah and have never mentioned them despite violating your tenets. I wonder what the difference is.
Pathological liar who zero concept of morality in any way. I doubt there was a single day in your life you ever had a shred of integrity
How is this related to voter I.D.?
Why, I’m glad you asked Stewy…Deep red Utah votes almost entirely by mail as a state. To be registered, you can do it online, by mail or in person. You can use a utility bill, which doesn’t have your picture…a bank statement, which doesn’t have your picture. Voting by mail in upwards of 95%-96% and no picture ID to get registered or even vote? What? Surprisingly, they send you a ballot, by mail, whether you want one or not. You literally have to opt out to not get one.
You mean you don’t have to show a photo ID to get registered?
You mean you don’t have to show a photo ID to vote?
You mean you can vote by mail…all the time?
You mean they just send you a ballot as if voting was a right of everyone?
Yet, not one peep from you or the right wing crowd about Utah voting rules, Utah elections being stolen, not shit about Utah. Why? Because you don’t have real convictions. You simply want your team to win regardless of how its dolled out.
The reason I haven’t delved deeply into your voter ID bullshit, is you don’t actually care. None of you actually give a shit about any of it. There’s no integrity within you. There’s no reason to put forth statistics, because you literally will lie about what you and all of us saw in situations like Jan 6. You’ll ignore a global referendum by climate scientists and pretend clime change is fake. Hell, half of you think the earth is flat.
Fact is, there is zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. There has never been evidence of widespread voter fraud. Most recent voter fraud is committed by Republicans despite being on such a small scale. You have decades of your folk talking about limiting voting for the same demographics and how less voting results in better wins for the GOP. You literally have every player in your bullshit 2020 cabal admitting in court that there was no election fraud. Does it ever make a dent? Nope. None of you actually believe it either.
Said it for years and I thought deeply that there was more to it, but there isn’t. The common thread between you MAGAts is zero integrity. Lots of other things are baked in, but that’s the core. We spent years showing you this or that outlandish thing thinking you’d wake up without realizing the immorality, the hypocrisy, the lies are all the features and not the byproduct. People think you’re JUST dumb and with this fact or that one, you’ll wake up, thinking that the core reason you are the the way you are and support who you support. It’s not.
The immorality, hypocrisy, lies, lack of basic integrity part of the equation is the reason you are the way you are and support who you support. The ignorance is a byproduct. It doesn’t matter the policy. You supported 100% the opposite of what Trump talks about now, right before Trump. It’s the lack of integrity.
Seems like a terrible system then. I think they should reform it.
What does this have to do with voting?
Who here has denied the earth is going through a warming phase?