I thought only Republicans were election deniers?
Kamala wouldn’t commit to certifying the election if Trump won.
Raskin has been beating this drum for years.
You’ve been Breitwashed again
The provisions amending the 1887 law — which has long been criticized as poorly and confusingly written — won bipartisan support and would make it harder for future presidential losers to prevent the ascension of their foes, as Trump tried to do on Jan. 6, 2021.
The new provisions make clear that the vice president’s responsibilities in the process are merely ceremonial and that the vice president has no say in determining who actually won the election.
I would simply say that the left uses January 6 as the huge Trump card on election denying when they’ve been doing it election after election. 2016 Trump was a Russian puppet and not legitimate.
It’s funny how one of the rallying points of the left is save Democracy when they want to fundamentally transform it. I think that’s pretty ironic.
Pun intended?
False. Dems have not rioted after every election, and no one, not even you, believes that what happened on Jan. 6 has happened after every election.
Except Hillary Clinton did something Trump never did:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118
I didn’t say rioted. I said they denied him as a legitimate president. They said the same for Bush versus Gore.
I see you’re conveniently ignoring my point about UPHOLDING DEMOCRACY and CONCEDING ELECTIONS.
Head in the sand. Nothing more.
I’m not ignoring anything. I know what your opinion on Jan 6 is. It’s well documented on here.
I said that the Democrats have been saying Republican presidents are illegitimate for years. Bush v Gore (you may be too young to remember).
For years after Trump was elected they said it was Russia that got him elected. That’s all I’m saying.
Everyone’s opinions on Jan 6 are known.
Yep, and yours supports an attempt to overthrow legitimate election results, trash the Constitution and celebrate attacking the police.
Dude Bush vs Gore is a very special case and you know that. After all the Republican demands for audits and recounts of 2020, imagine what they would think of the Bush v Gore recount being halted?
But that’s besides the point, because:
Look at that, way before Jan. 6 too…
Has any election in history bucked the trend of historical norms, voting changes, rule changes, bellwether indicators all being off, halted voting, drop boxes, mail in voting, COVID related changes a few months before the election though?
I guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot the left would have rioted.
Not saying Jan 6 was right but it’s also not like we’ve had such a wacky election.
Hell even before the election there were mainstream news stations saying how the voting systems could be hacked!
Why do you think people were upset/wondering if it was legit? Only a partisan person would say it’s the most secure election in history when all of those factors were at play.
This is the last bet I made with canebill. He bet me that if the Pubs lost there wouldn’t be violence.
Now, there’s no way we can prove what would have happened if Biden lost, but we sure as hell know what happened when he won. You can come up with all the hypothetical alternate realities you want, but they simply don’t apply.
What happened happened.
On a side note, even canebill was so disgusted and disillusioned by Trump and Jan. 6 that he started checking out of politics and left the board soon after that. I will say I respect the hell out of him for saying that Jan. 6 was a disgrace. Meanwhile morons like Storm were cheering it on as it happened before they realized that was a bad look.
Can you address the rest of my post?
Was it not the strangest, most unique rule changing election in history and all the bellwethers blown out?
Yes or no?
The answer is yes.
Least secure election in history. That should be pretty inarguable. You can say that and detest Jan 6 at the same time.
Has any election in history ever had so many covid related issues? Of course not.
The thing is, half the shit you bring up are conspiracies, half the shit is normal. Yes, there were issues in the wake of covid, but that’s how shit works. I doubt it was the election with the most issues in US history, if that’s what you mean. Most of the issues raised had no merit, and there are countless people losing lawsuits for claiming as much.
This is what I mean. There’s absolutely zero evidence of that. You’ve been duped by the Trump admin.
In terms of voting rule changes and securities to make sure there was no fraud, it’s pretty clear. I don’t even think it’s an opinion, unless you are telling me that the changes made a few months before the election are as secure as the methods we had before when there were novel changes.
And everything you said above validates my point about why people were upset. I think many on the right would accept a Trump loss if they think it was fair and square and with all of the changes and the courts not even listening to the challenges people are right to wonder.
I think the Republicans locked down many of the loose rules and are ready to go this time. If Kamala wins, I won’t like it but won’t feel like people are pulling the wool over our eyes.
Normal people move on and don’t riot but we can still be pissed about the shenanigans and questionable changes that were allowed.
More people voted in the last two Georgia elections than before and that’s after tightening up the rules. That’s a good thing. It means they are making it easier to vote and harder to cheat. That’s all we want.
Some people want it easier to vote and easier to cheat.
And COVID was the excuse to make everything so loose was a scam. Plenty of things were open by November.
Luckily we don’t have that excuse this time.
What change made before the election made it significantly less secure in your mind?
Don’t fool yourself. If she wins and Trump says she stole it, you will believe the election was stolen again.
I’m glad you think they’re ready this time, because:
- Trump claimed Obama stole the election in 2012.
- Trump claimed Ted Cruz stole the Iowa caucuses from him in 2016
“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!” Trump wrote on Twitter at the time. “Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.”
- Trump also claimed Hillary was rigging 2016
In October 2016, just weeks before the general election, Trump wanted to cast doubt on the results by tweeting, "The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary
Normal people will see this as a pattern:
No I’m telling you I won’t.
I don’t really listen to Trump. Don’t really like him to be honest. Similar feeling to GSC.
Good for you. But know that the 2020 Trump claims are the same as with every election he doesn’t like. They absolutely aren’t new to 2020.