The district is D+5.
Not shocking in an area that is dealing with the flood of illegal migration.
Just the start of the pretty red November. Dems better get their value out of these Jan 6 hearings because the the swing in November is going to be pretty large.
âI said, âYouâre completely crazy.â I said, âYouâre going to turn around and tell 78-plus million people in this country that your theory ⌠is how youâre going to invalidate their votes because you think the election was stolen.â And I said, âTheyâre not going to tolerate that,ââ Mr. Herschmann said in the deposition.
He said Mr. Eastman told him in response that violence would be tolerable in the interest of âdemocracy.â
âAnd he said words to the effect of, âThereâs been violence in the history of our country in order to protect the democracy, or to protect the republic,ââ Mr. Herschmann said.
Youâre a disgrace to this nation and a traitor
Look at how this partisan sheep clings to this Jan. 6th Hail Mary⌠Hereâs a cute little meme for you memers
Seems like more people are starting to sway this way ^^âŚHopefully so.
And you are a pearl clutching pansy.
No one cares about your moral indignation. The country will move on after this melodrama production is over.
Interesting response to an actual coup. You show your lack of character and integrity quite regularly. How pathetic. Your family must feel the same of you, daily
Probably how he looks while typing. Such drama.
So dramatic.
Keyboard warrior type with emotional issues.
The thing is that he completely diminishes any argument by these idiotic statements meant to get a rise.
Itâs also funny that he thinks heâs going to get me fired up with these comments.
You are a traitor! He pounds his fist onto the table. What a dork.
Itâs just so surprising to see it clearly outlined, the parties directly involved testifying on record and outlining how it was fraudulent and everyone knew it who was involvedâŚto try to get the Vp to kick back the votes and the GOP state legislatures to send fake electors, and then to use a violent attack on the capitol as an attempt to both force Pence into doing it and delay the certification of the vote - itâs as clear as day a coup. The legal parties involved testified it was a coup attempt. The lawyer involved who directed it admitted to his two com-padres in Penceâs office that it was illegal and though it would result in blood in the streetsâŚhe was cool with that. We have everyone from the attorney general to the VP legal councilâŚcampaign managers, even the daughter of the PresidentâŚand it doesnât seem to both you in the slightest.
Regardless of party politicsâŚto be okay with a literal attempted coup and not even be slightly botheredâŚwell, Iâm not sure how else one could respond. If you donât have integrity over that, how do you have integrity at all?
It really does shine through as to what type of people weâre dealing with here, you and GSC.
I donât really care about a rise out of youâŚI donât know you. But, seriouslyâŚwhat type of man is just fine with an attempted coup? How strange. GSC openly wants to dismantle the government, wants the government to take over private industry, doesnât NASA is real, believes Qanon is real, things he supersedes the DictionaryâŚI mean, I get why he thinks this. Heâs not the normal guy, mentally.
You, however, donât appear to be crazy. You donât appear to be evil or malicious too much. Youâre seeming approval of this has kind of thrown me for a loop. I donât know you at all, but from the experiences on this boardâŚhow in Godâs name are you, Indiana, okay with this?
Because theyâve been fed escape clauses to let them sleep at night. Theyâve been told Jan 6 was the result of BLM provocateurs. That it was all show. That it was peaceful.
GSC believes it was a government operation. (Hint: It was. Whose government was currently in power at the time, and whose government would a successful operation have benefited?)
Indiana probably admits it was a shameful day, but not a big deal. He stresses over and over again that nobody cares about it because he wants to stop hearing about it. He wishes the whole debacle would go away so he could pretend nothing happened.
And people like skeeter (and SF) actually approve of violence as long as itâs on their side.
EDIT: By the way, Warden, I like these posts of yours better. Theyâre less combative and more genuine. And, I believe, more effective at communicating your point.
Iâm too much of a skeptic to believe there was this malicious attempt to take down the US government.
Coup is a word used for a violent assault. That didnât look like a violent assault to me.
Hell a few years ago we had Dems storming a state capital and trying to violently overthrow a government and I didnât hear anybody getting that upset. I heard people justifying it.
This was a largely peaceful protest with a few agitators. And once they got in the capital they were largely walking around.
Was a great, or good or admirable? Hell no. It was disgraceful. And I admit that Trump didnât help matters that day. He made mistakes.
But to also diminish the fact that the Dems have a totally partisan committee that is using a freaking TV exec to get maximum drama effect is foolish. They were doing out of context quotes over dramatic video. It was a production.
Those involved have been punished, and some are still being held for just being there. There are folks rotting in jail without recourse to justice. Some banana republic type stuff.
The only people that died were Trump supporters. Awful day. Not coup worthy and not worth the melodrama the Dems are using for Mid Term gain. And thatâs exactly what they are doing!
When was this?
You lost little sheep.
So fucking clueless
You guys try and prop these imbeciles up on some kind of pedestal. The funny thing is, they are all 80 years old and cranky at the world around them.
They are all the same. They hate other people and only look after themselves. The spitting image of jesus as he was a selfish prick.
Youâd have a point of it was this straight forward.
I believe in a âpermanent state.â Sometimes itâs referred to as the âdeep state.â
No administration is truly in control of this behemoth bureaucracy. You have lifetime career government officials who run these agencies so you canât effectively force policy changes. They fight you tooth and nail.
No we just live in reality
Wake up
What type of partisan idiot is still calling this a fucking coup?
The hypocrisy you idiots display on a day to day basis is disgusting.
Imagine djrion think OTHER people are the ones that hateâŚHas he ever read one of his own posts the last 7-8 years?
You canât make this shit up
I mean there is a lot to dissect here, but you are probably not wrong completely in thought. However, knowing your paranoid personality you are definitely wrong in motivation or intenionality. Meaning you assume some conspiratorial version of reality where normatively a president like Trump should be able to come in and fire and hire whom he wants at will (ignoring all of US history and why we shouldnât do this in the process). But that is another story for another time.
Weber is the godfather of modern bureaucracy. We can, until this day, pull concepts that he described as they are applied to Public Administration. Scientific management or Taylorism was brought forth by Frederick Taylor. Woodrow Wilson thus blended Weber and Taylor to become âthe father of Public Administration.â
Why is this important? Wilson established what is known conceptually as the politics-administrative dichotomy. This dichotomy is best surmised as:
a distinction between those elected officials accountable to voters and administrators responsible for making good policies that serve the public interest. Bureaucrats should be politically neutral in order to make impartial decisions that are not influenced by politiciansâ selfish interests.
While obviously inherently flawed and heavily critiqued for the past century or so (including by yours truly), the foundation and underpinnings were set for better or worse. The debate rages on.
The âIron Triangleâ theory of government may be a better place to start for you, however I find it rationale rather than conspiratorial. Why? Founding fathers understood special interests.
Public Administration, a critique unto itself, is not however accounted for. Yet, the discipline is derived largely from 3 main influences: Jeffersonian, Madisonian, and Jacksonian. Obviously âThe Stateâ cannot exist without the bees, but Iâd listen to a constitutional argument againstâŚ
Not that facts will change your mind, but violence is not a requirement of a coup.
Are you saying the Dems were MORE violent than the Pubs? Because I doubt it, and if you just called the Dems violent, ergo you just called Jan 6 violentâŚ
Hence the Trump adminâs attempt to skirt the rules and beat the bureaucracy. Spoiler: they failed.
Fair enough.
Iâll simplify my argument for you.
What we saw on Jan 6 was not good, but in my mind it wasnât the end of Democracy or whatever term the left wants to use now. They call it the worst day in American history. They could have a better argument if they didnât exaggerate everything. That turns people away and makes them less likely to listen.
And people on here will not answer a few of my points. If it was the worst day in American history:
As bad as it looked on TV, only a few people were killed and the ones that were were Trump supporters.
Also funny that this thread started about a special election in Texas that went to the Râs and has Dems freaking out and it got derailed by Warden about Jan 6.
Clearly the folks in that Dem district in Texas donât care about Jan 6 that much. Otherwise they would never vote Republican.