2 Russia Invades Ukraine

Remember when conservatives criticized the veracity of American intelligence?

Remember when they said this was a manufactured crisis?

Remember when they said Putin wouldn’t invade?

Remember when they called Biden a warmonger?

This situation is fucked. Will Russia blitz over Kyiv with Belarusian troops or will Ukraine live to fight another day? I have no idea what I will read when i get up tomorrow morning.

Remember when Russia invaded during Trump’s presidency? Oh wait, I must have missed the fact that there wasn’t war then.

And this has what to do with the current situation?

I’m assuming you think Russia wouldn’t have invaded if trump were president.

Considering Trump has endlessly endorsed Putin, during his presidency and after, I disagree with you.

Impossible to prove, right?

All we have is the evidence that it didn’t happen. Putin (and the rest of the world) isn’t scared by our weak, feckless commander in chief.

Absolutely hilarious.

Remember when we predicted what would happen lol.

Safe to say the current situation is merely a continuation of the 2014 situation (just as a refresher the democratically elected president was run out of the country by a highly organized and well-coordinated faction).

This situation also looks a bit like the 2008 Georgia situation.

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You know- you all keep saying this and it’s bullshit. Trump figured out a way to stop it. Unless I missed that attack on Ukraine from 2016 through 2020.

Yes- Russia has a military presence in the region (they are neighbors).

And yes- there was previous active military engagement under Obama’s watch (Crimea).

And yes- Russia could have moved in at any time…. BUT THEY DIDNT. Until now.

Why the long lay-off between engagements?

This is a fair question that doesn’t seem to be addressed.

Why now and not a year ago, two years ago, three years ago?

Indeed, either way. So it’s not exactly responsible to make assumptions, yes?

So you’re saying because it didn’t happen, that it definitely wouldn’t under trump? If Trump had won….maybe we would know. But remember, the isolationist has fawned for (and bent over) for Putin many times.

As for the rest, I agree, Putin is not intimated by leadership from the west, whether it be Biden or the European leaders.

Because there was this gorilla in the room named Trump would have immediately cut off the Oligarchs money and assets in American banks. He also would have made it clear that there would be a response.

Biden is a pussy. His team is incompetent.

Ukraine is just another example of Biden failure. Biden’s war on domestic energy production has empowered Russia’s oil economy. Neither the U.S. nor EU will consent to fight in Ukraine. Sanctions will last until winter in Europe rolls around again. As they always do, the EU will lift sanctions rather than shiver in their homes in winter. IMO, the invasion would not have happened under Trump who was extremely successful with respect to foreign policy.

If you think Ukraine is an outrage, it would not be surprising to see China move more aggressively against Taiwan, for China realizes that America has a pitiful fool in the White House. Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates asserted in 2014 that Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

This is purely an assumption and you have no way of knowing that. And there plenty of evidence to suggest that Trump would have stayed silent, if not endorse, Putin.

You would think that there’d be news on this - like with Russia - that China was getting into position to attack.

But I have this thought in the back of my head that if China were ready, now would be perfect.

That would be absolutely bananas.

As he continues to make…assumptions

About what?

Not his cup of tea

It’s always been the trannies that are Biden’s specialty…He always cared so much about them in the 80s and 90s as well, it’s just he never quite had the platform he needed…Now he is here to save them all.

That same thing would have happened under Trump
That Putin will turn into Hitler

You’re right, whatever stupid point you’re making is impossible to prove.

This is a long game. Russia was supporting the separatists and had to help that settle so they could declare independent states. Russia had to wait out covid which, laugh if you want, armies take very seriously. Russia had to enact a longterm siege of Kyiv. Remember that the military option is probably their final option (right before nuclear anyway). Moscow was trying to win Kyiv back politically and economically first. many of Russia’s plans failed and this is what they’re left with.

Says the guy whose opinion was that we should let Russia take Ukraine!

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The stupid point that Russia didn’t invade when Trump was President?

You do or don’t agree with that statement?

Or the obvious point that they waited until they sensed a weakness and we stoked the fire?

Do you ever get tired of apologizing for this administration?