Oh, well…let me ease your troubles. Shutting down the schools was wrong. Bad idea. I’m a liberal.
Do you feel better now? What kind of cookie would you like?
Oh, well…let me ease your troubles. Shutting down the schools was wrong. Bad idea. I’m a liberal.
Do you feel better now? What kind of cookie would you like?
The post wasn’t directed at you to begin with?
And of course it wasn’t “shutting down schools”…It was doubling and tripling down on PROLONGED shutdowns long after it was clear that children were fine. We had examples everywhere…Wasn’t enough for progressive fucking idiots.
Do I need to repeat myself a third (or 300th) time?
I get it, but I’m a liberal and I’m admitting that was stupid as hell. It didn’t work. I even could see the justification but the numbers didn’t play out.
I think we’ve got you covered. Nobody is in question as to your feelings on Covid or anything relating to it
Then why’d you respond? We had another progressive asshole on this thread stand by that it still was the right move…that all these kids were going to die if we didn’t keep them out of classrooms, and then masked them upon return.
He was who i addressed. And also a bit 305ive who has gone crickets on the subject.
And we have a right to fucking remind them. You couldn’t tell em shit at the time. And in the case of dj he still sticks to his sick fucking ideology. That’s when you know someone is a partisan zealot
Where are the crickets. I meant everything I said.
If you want a response you can’t be vague and say things like “so many other countries.” Tell me what country you’re talking about, tell me what they did better, and tell me why that’s a point worth discussing.
I agree many countries handled aspects of covid better than we did and many countries handled aspects worse. No crickets necessary.
Yawn…first off, you didn’t say a fuckin thing in this thread in response to my comments, other than talking about reading ages.
Refer to my umpteen posts on the subject while it was going on or do the research yourself. I’ve only been asking the same question since late 20/early 21
Catholic Schools? Red states? Easy shit to find here.
The shit you people defended to be “good little liberals” and “save one another” is fucking comedy. And now it’s crickets.
Don’t complain about being ignored when you’re constantly throwing the word cunt around.
Lol why? You’re the one who asked for a reply. If you want one, how about YOU refer to MY umpteen posts on the subject or do the research yourself?
If you want to talk about a state or school that outperformed the average, let me know. Red states have generally fared very poorly at covid mitigation though. (Refer to my umpteen posts on the topic for details.)
Still not hearing any except when I asked you what you were talking about.
Oh so at least you realize you were wrong. Change of tune there I see.
If you want to talk about a state or school that outperformed the average, let me know. Red states have generally fared very poorly at covid mitigation though. (Refer to my umpteen posts on the topic for details.)
Only if your reference point is the very tiny average difference in per capita deaths…(And it’s not like it’s uniform…NJ, Mich, N.Mexico etc…all high on that list). There is basically no difference in “spread” (Cases per capita)…And the difference in the average number of deaths has to AT LEAST be partially attributed to old time staunch rural/republican types refusal to go to a hospital, not having a hospital close by, etc… So then, what about all the other measuring points that measure the damage of mitigation.? What about all the other countries that had kids back in classrooms far earlier?
Where are all these dead kids at?
Perfoming well in “covid mitigation” is only one aspect of life in this country or any country. The ZeroCovid mitigation policy had too many effects in other aspects of life. Flat out ignored them
Don’t remember typing anything to that effect but feel free to quote me.
Yeah, that’s a pretty big indicator. I suppose we can individually define “tiny.”
That bug affects us all brother. Even rich liberals like Steve Jobs.
In the early days, dead kids was a valid concern. Later, not so much.
I was never talking about dead kids. I’m talking about spread.
Agree.
No, no, no. China has a zero covid policy. You wanna talk bonkers we could start there.
Wrong that you said you responded when you didn’t.
That bug affects us all brother. Even rich liberals like Steve Jobs.
Huh?
In the early days, dead kids was a valid concern. Later, not so much.
I was never talking about dead kids. I’m talking about spread.
Well then if talking about “spread” than there is no difference between red and blue states…The SMALL difference is in per capita deaths.
Getting kids back to their normal education should have been among the most important , if not the most important, of agendas…We should have toughened up against our rediculous fear of spread, especially, with, as I’ve stated many times, that we had plenty of models to see that most importantly, they weren’t in danger, and also (much less importantly, but ok) that the “spread” was, for the most part, no different in areas where kids were back to school and then as 21 progressed, back in school with no masks
But no…liberal school districts, teacher’s unions, etc…Had to be world-saving assholes, per usual.
No, no, no.
Yes, yes, yes…It was insane how far some of the maniacs in this country went with covid policy. Especially when there was a clear two sets of rules.
After a while it was clear as day this shit was being done for reasons other than people’s health.
I never said I responded though. I said:
I meant everything I said.
and
If you want a response you can’t be vague
I stand by that.
Not sure this is true. Florida had 20% more cases per capita than California.
And states aren’t even a great metric for comparing school closures because different cities and school districts had different rules.
But stopping the spread is important because kids can spread the virus to seniors who can then die.
You do realize going from 2000 to 4000 is 100% more deaths, right? We are talking huge numbers. California has 2300 and florida has 3500. That is over 50% more deaths.
How is that “tiny” or “small?”
Yes I know…We are over-generalizing
But you are also picking two general states that fit your premises…If you go to per capita cases, you will see it is a mix of red and blue states. And also you are sticking to deaths as opposed to spread which is what you are arguing when you say:
But stopping the spread is important because kids can spread the virus to seniors who can then die.
Also so when does the responsibility and choice fall on the elderly? For god sake we spent how long (I have no problem with initial shutdowns) fucking with kids development to save 90 year old people?
You do realize going from 2000 to 4000 is 100% more deaths, right? We are talking huge numbers. California has 2300 and florida has 3500. That is over 50% more deaths.
Then you can adjust for Florida being one of the oldest states…And you can adjust for geography, etc…But yes if we believe those numbers, for the sake of this argument, Cali ranked much higher in keeping deaths down. Florida wins in other areas though, i.e. they gave a much much larger percentage of the population the fucking choice to have their kids in a classroom.
Maybe, but they were the only two states I looked up. I think they’re a good fit for many reasons: their outspoken governors who represent the future of both parties, and their covid measures were strong for and against. Also both are places I’ve lived and pay attention to.
How so? 8 of the top 10 states in per-capita cases are red. I don’t think your argument is properly representing the data.
It is squarely there now.
And that’s exactly where I’m coming from. It’s easy to slam covid measures and not want to deal with them, but I lived in LA through the entire thing and believe the state and city did an outstanding job. And the numbers bear that out.
Now, we can niggle over whether schools should have opened x months earlier or not, we can agree that not everything people tried worked, etc. But kids being “8-12 weeks behind” is a small price to pay for keeping deaths down while we were figuring this thing out. LA also (supposedly) upgraded schools with ventilation/hepa filters which should create an overall healthier environment moving forward.
I defend the measures because people aren’t perfect and I see a net positive.