I didn’t read much of either article…It just caught my eye that the quote was as blatant as I’ve seen that some of Zelensky’s advisors are basically telling him they can’t win.
Zelensky does have political enemies, and there might be an election next year, so there is some public smack talk in that sphere.
It is true that, without some drastic change, it is going to be very difficult for Ukraine to advance to their coast. Warfighting is cyclical just like football as there are new rules and advances. Without an air force, defense trumps offense right now, so it’s hard for either side to move.
Please point out where I embarrassed myself in this thread.
It is hard to imagine Ukraine in a worse bargaining position now than at the beginning of the invasion when Russia occupied more land, but of course I agree with the statement: Ukraine should not get a worse deal now.
Neither side is asking for a way out at the moment… …
Yes. that’s like saying the US can never have trouble anywhere because we’re all over the world. Yet Korea happened. And Vietnam. And look at Afghanistan.
You just have zero idea of how the real world works.
Lol they retreated as they pleased? They tried to storm Kyiv and failed!!! You have to be a joke to believe that was their plan.
They annexed Kherson oblast and then retreated from Kherson city. You think that was their plan? They have annexed territory that Ukraine still occupies!!!
They wanted to retreat, of course, because they had shitty logistics and could not sustain the front. They never made it into Kyiv. They never cut off Western supply lines.
LET ME SEE IF STORM UNDERSTANDS YOU BRAIN DEAD SO IF THE UNITED STATES IS AT WAR ON OUR BORDER LOSING WE ARE NOT PULLING TROOPS FROM OTHER PLACES TO DEFEND OUR HOMELAND?
LITTLE JUNIOR STAY IN YOUR LANE KID……
THEY WENT IN WITH A GOAL JUST LIKE ANY WAR THAT IS NOT TO LAUNDER MONEY……
YOU ONLY GO TO WAR TO WIN THE WAR……
THEY WENT IN ACHIEVED THEIR OPERATION GOALS AND GOT OUT….
THEY WERE NEVER TRYING TO OCCUPY UKRAINE……
EVENTUALLY THE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO JOIN RUSSIA AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO….
Trump: “If I’m president, I will have that war settled in one day, 24 hours. I’ll meet with Putin. I’ll meet with Zelensky. They both have weaknesses and they both have strengths. And within 24 hours that war will be settled.”
Zelensky: “If he can come here, I will need 24 minutes – yes, 24 minutes… to explain (to) President Trump that he can’t manage this war. He can’t bring peace because of Putin. I think [President Biden] understood some details which you can understand only being here. So I invite President Trump.”
WHICH PART OF THIS EXCHANGE IS CONFUSING TO YOU???
He literally says it in the quote above. Trump says he could make peace in 24 hours, and Zelensky disputes that and says “If Trump comes to Ukraine, he will see that he can’t solve this with quick peace talks.”
In case you’re autistic and don’t get subtext, Zelensky is not genuinely inviting Trump to come to Ukraine so much as challenging him to put up or shut up.
But he’s actually smarter than that, because he’s not being coarse with Trump at all. He’s being pretty diplomatic actually. He’s saying Biden understands the situation because he’s been to Kyiv, and for Trump to understand it as well he should visit.
At no point is he begging Russia for mercy. Zelensky’s demands for peace are the same - get out of Ukraine.