Someone Check on GSC……

He suddenly won’t be feeling well after he reads this. :laughing:

Not that I think this will change anything….

This actually can’t be done. There is no way that the Bishops or the Pope or the bishops can change any “revealed truth.”

Revealed truth means the Bishops have already decided dogmatic issue and it is set in stone. It cannot be altered.

This is the one thing that keeps me tied to the Catholic Church. Because if they found a way to do this I’d be done as they would reveal themselves as a heretical church.

Watch out, them gays will get ya! :laughing:

As I mentioned, even if they did decide it could be done, it’d take thousands of years.

I join GSC in finding homosexuality being generally aberrant behavior that any reasonable parent would consider undesirable behavior when raising children. Without heterosexuality, there would be no procreation of the species. That homosexuality is more widespread than previously believed does not mean that it is entirely normal or societally beneficial behavior While certain studies report that homosexual genetic predisposition occurs in a small number of individuals, most homosexuality is learned behavior. I find homosexual sexual behavior repulsive. Regardless of certain biases I have against homosexuality, I believe in the rights of homosexuals under law. I certainly have no objections to any two persons loving and being devoted to one another. I have friends who are homosexuals, but I try to vacate from my mind what activities they may in engage in satisfying their amorous needs. Nobody in my military would be wearing dresses or skirts, nor would they have facial hair, cornrows, pony tails, turbans, kippas, or beards.

A person of proven genetic predisposition to be homosexual, I would assess as being normal. Normalcy however is not determined by the prevalence of persons identifying as being homosexuals. In certain cultures, people drink urine ritualistically. Some people perversely, I think, enjoy consuming fecal matter. That some engage in such disgusting behavior does not conflate the said behavior to being NORMAL. Some learned behavior then is abnormal and regarded rather universally as being aberrant behavior. Most homosexuality is learned, unnatural behavior that can be changed.

While I have small regard for religion, I have high regard for GSC as being a human of high integrity, honesty, and erudition. Empathetically, though an atheist, I think GSC’s beliefs as a devoted Christian are both logical and consistent.

Yet another proclamation from Bikki without posting any proof of the “certain studies” he refers to. And people who say ridiculous things like this, I always follow up with a question:

Did you consciously choose to be straight?

I know you won’t answer (almost no one does), but I know the answer.

51 - do you believe people who have committed homosexual behavior and haven’t confessed and repented should receive communion?

You’re going to have a stroke when I say this, but yes, I do. Two consenting adults that love each other and also belief in the body and blood of Christ? I’ve got no problem with that and at the end of the day, I don’t think God does either. There are things much worse.

They aren’t pedophiles. They didn’t get an abortion. They aren’t denying Jesus.

If it’s that big of a problem, don’t worry. God will take care of it in the end. Until then, let them live their lives.

So you’re a heretic. You believe the word of our Lord is false.

He says that that any sexual action outside of the confines of marriage is a mortal sin.

I find it amazing that you actually admitted that.

Holy shit. Which Gospel were you in?

Crazy.

So you are ok with folks who commit mortal sin in the Church’s eyes receiving Communion?

It’s no different than two heterosexuals that aren’t married.

Just want to get it straight that you are the cafeteria Catholic type. No judgment on my part. There are tons out there.

You call me a heretic when at the same time have admitted that you don’t give a fuck about anyone that isn’t American?

Pretty sure Jesus said “Love one another.” You clearly go against this; you’ve admitted as much.

So if I’m a heretic, then so are you.

So you don’t need to pontificate to me. If God has a problem with gays, he’ll deal with them. I feel entirely comfortable letting gays live their lives.

What’s so crazy about it?

This is weak 51.

First of all, I never said I don’t care about non-Americans. I said that we have laws and they need to respect them.

You just revealed yourself to be a heretic. In fact, it’s beyond heresy. You didn’t just get the doctrine wrong, You openly said you value your opinion over Jesus’s law. Stunning.

Now- I’m a sinner. I don’t deny it. But at least I know what’s right and wrong in the religion.

Anyone who commits mortal sin cannot receive communion. He/She must repent and confess.

I’ve gone years without communion, My wife thinks I’m nuts, for lesser sins.

You should read the catechism.

“Anyone who is aware of having committed a mortal sin must not receive Holy Communion, even if he experiences deep contrition, without having first received sacramental absolution, unless he has a grave reason for receiving Communion and there is no possibility of going to confession.”

You are leading the flock astray 51.

Yes, you did. Literally. I’d try to find and pull up your quote if I had the energy. But you said this when we were debating immigration. I remember it so well because you said it such indifference.

I value loving my fellow human being and not discriminating against them. Pretty sure Jesus is ok with that. You should try it sometime.

I agree with your wife.

Why won’t you repent and thus be eligible for communion? What’s holding you back? You call me a Heretic but according to you you’re walking around unclean.

I’m not leading anyone astray. People will make up their own minds.

If you loved your fellow human why would you lead them to an activity that would cause them death? No one is saying you should condemn them or oppress them. But, if you believe in our faith, you are literally killing them by not loving them enough to lead them to truth. Anyone who accepts communion in sin is risking salvation.

Yea we’ll, let’s just say I’m the religious one.

Literally time. I’ve prayed for forgiveness but that’s not enough. Confession windows are only open at certain times near me and they are always I’ll scheduled for me .

I’m not leading them anywhere. They are living their lives and I’m leaving them alone. You think I’m encouraging homosexual behavior? No. All I’m advocating for is for people to mind their own business.

Interesting how so many on the right talks about wanting to be left alone yet you have such an enormous problem with this.

I think you mistyped here - I’m not sure what you mean.

Dude I showed up at church one time during the day asking for an emergency confession. It can be done. How long since you last got communion?

If it were so important you would find a way.

And by the way, at one time you stated that you supported civil unions. So if I’m leading people astray then so are you.

I don’t believe in God. I believe all religions are inventions of mankind. Were there a God of which I have always been skeptical, I believe Judgment Day will not be so harsh on persons who have adhered, or even mostly adhered to God’s Commandments. Since God is all knowing, I think it would be heresy that God would misjudge anyone. I would thereby surmise that 51 would not be denied entrance to Paradise. In fact, in retrospect my sins have never exceeded the pecadillo level, so my essential goodness, I presume, is already known by God, and chances are good that I too might wind up a Zion dweller for eternity. Were I reach angelic status, I’d vote to let 51 inside but I’d leave Warden in Purgatory. On the other hand, were I condemned to Perdition, I think I’d know a lot of the sinners who therein abound. So long as the background music in hell would not be rap music, I might be able to withstand eternal damnation.

:joy::joy::joy:

Nice Bikki. :laughing: