If a nurse at St Jude suffocates a child…. Is St Jude the hospital itself the bad guy?
At the core of the Christian and Catholic faith is the realization that humans are deeply flawed.
We can agree that there are bad people in the church (Jesus himself hung out with sinners), but until you can demonstrate to me that Catholicism’s or Christianity’s teachings and tenants are evil, it doesn’t really matter.
If they do it consistently over decades and centuries, yes.
Copout for murdering and abusing children
You sure have a LOT of history in your church of abusing and murdering children and covering it up. If it walks like a duck…
then again, you’re the guy who said it wasn’t a big deal, everyone did it and it’s the media’s fault.
What point are you trying to prove by posting this stuff?
There are bad people in the world, including in the Catholic Church?
To be fair, let’s post the same information for every other organization in the world and then compare. Pointless exercise, but it seems like you just get a kick out of needling GSC for being Catholic.
Doesn’t really bother me, as it doesn’t change any of my opinions about anything but I wasn’t sure if you were trying to prove a point.
Every other organization doesn’t have these incidents, much less decades of them, or even hundreds of years of them…like yours does.
And therein lies the point…if these acts by your church don’t make you lose faith in your church, it’s not faith you’re exercising. It’s obedience.
There’s so much, how could I not? As I’ve said before, the Catholic Church is the most corrupt organization in the history of humanity. Since it obviously plays such a role in your positions, I like to point out what an abomination it is.
Ah, I see now. You went looking for articles to confirm your presumption that the Catholic Church is the worst organization of all time. But you don’t have an interest in looking for information from other organizations. Seems like an awful lack of integrity for a guy who preaches on it.
Hypocrite much?
But forgetting that faulty argument for a moment, I’m struggling to understand how the Church teachings call for those horrible acts that were committed?
Actually, I didn’t have to. Seems to be plenty. I heard about this on a podcast…just more examples of the horrors committed by the Catholic Church.
What other organizations have all of this? Do tell.
You might want to ask yourself that in the mirror. I’m not Catholic, but something sure appears to be driving such an onslaught of terrible actions on behalf of the church throughout its long lifetime. It’s as if, at some point, one might wonder if they’ve hitched their wagon to rapists and murderers.
These guys are obsessed with me @IndianaCane - they can’t help themselves.
Must get a turnover chain if they beat me or something. Who knows.
Have you looked at the statistics of abuse in other large international organizations?
I’m pretty sure all of the homilies I’ve ever heard during my life preach humility, forgiveness, charity, concern for others etc.
Now, whether people choose to follow those teachings is another matter. I’ve already stated that any abuse that has happened is abhorrent.
I also know plenty of good and holy clergy that would say say the same things about some of the leadership in the Church.
But again, it’s a different perspective because those that aren’t part of the faith don’t understand that it’s not like a fraternity and you just shut it down because of some members sinning. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that point because you aren’t a believer.
When Jesus came, he was chastised and mocked for hanging around the lowest of the low in society.
Thieves, tax collectors, prostitutes, murderers.
According to Warden, Jesus should be condemned.
But thankfully we’re wiser than this. No one goes to a hospital to see the healthy, and likewise a Church is not created to save the righteous.
As horrible as these crimes are, it doesn’t do one thing to invalidate the church’s deposit of faith.
blah, blah, blah…you dismissed the rape of children by the Catholic Church, called it not a big deal, everyone is doing it, and it was the media’s fault.
Now you mock stories about nuns smashing babies against the floor to shut them up and throwing kids out the windows. Now you’re likening Jesus to child rapist priests and child murdering nuns…comparing them to someone hanging out with a tax collector.
You mock those protesting Putin’s war, claiming you demand proof they were arrest unjustly, claimed Ukraine is simply a fake state built for laundering money and cheering Putin.
You’re a piece of shit dude…no way around it. Just a piece of trash to the core…quite fitting in this conversation.
I never dismissed it.
I never defended it.
You’re just over emotional and attempting to pin something on me that isn’t there.
The priests and nuns who did this should be punished.
The people in the Church who covered it up should be punished.
This doesn’t mean the Catholic teaching is flawed.
What?
I mocked stories? Are you starting to lose it buddy? I’ve mocked nothing. Are you in a manic or depressed swing right now?
Why did you remove the other categories of sinners like murderers I included? Because it doesn’t contract as well? I’m sure there were child predators walking among Jesus. What is your point. His message to them was confess and repent! I have the same message for child abusers.
Are you losing your mind? Where did I do this? Is it time for the lithium bro?
Again- I didn’t claim they were arrested justly or unjustly. I said the article lacks that context and it’s a valid question to determine the issue.
It is. Just like Afghanistan is. Ukraine is 99 years old.
Curious you use a link from ifunny.co as your source. Of course, it lists sources, but did you check them? Nah, you just went off ifunny.co. Here’s some actual websites for you
Lol- the point is that sexual abuse is universal, ecumenical, ubiquitous…
It happens everywhere in every institution and is covered up everywhere (even in families)
There’s nothing unique about the Catholic Church’s experience other than your steed for them.
He sees the articles on the hundreds of thousands of abused children and “lols.”
He reads the articles about nuns slamming babies against the ground to get them to stop crying and says, “it happens everywhere.”
Again, a disgusting man
It’s a prerequisite of this ideology…Give him a pass. They prey on people like him and he turns into mindless zombie, capable of only his rants…Never rationale.
I’m laughing because that point is so elementary but it exudes you for some reason.
But I know the reasons. You hate Christ and you hate his Church. I get it. It all makes sense.
Child abuse (both physical and sexual) do happen everywhere. Why do you only focus on the Catholic Church?
Again- because you only like to complain about people and things you don’t like. Trump, Catholics, Republicans….
It’s pretty clear the Catholic Church isn’t HIS church. That’s the point. You’ve hitched your ride to the single most corrupt organization in the history of mankind and when presented with things like hundreds of thousands of children being raped by clergy, you said it wasn’t that bad and blamed the media.
YOU most certainly belong in the Catholic Church. Jesus, not so much.
Perversity is a salient human trait. Humans create institutions which foment aberrant behavior. Human fanatics coalesce within some religious groups. Chastity creates deviates because chastity is a defiance of hormonal control of human behavior…
Humans love myths and throughout history have created deities, the Greeks creating the most interesting deities who exhibited openly human desires and emotions. Small wonder the Greeks were the first to create first-rate entertainment.
What’s a bikki post without bashing Islam, but Islam leads the religious world when it comes to insane rules governing sexual behavior. Islamic treatment of women is an abomination. It’s treatment of homosexuals likewise is an abomination. Its corruption of the young, its grooming of young girls and boys for sexual gratification is despicable. The Koran even sanctions bestiality and describes male sexuality as being beyond control.