Liberals Will Hate This Post

bikki228 · November 1, 2023, 2:38am

Biden’s foreign policy is like Obama’s, an unmitigated failure. The kumbayah crowd always loses because it lacks backbone,sometimes called intestinal fortitude. Liberals are plainly moronic. They are stupid and believe in the eternal goodness of all men which of course is an absurdity. A good example are the Queers for Palestine. Fact is you don’t see many rainbow flags in Gaza. Liberals believe they occupy the moral high ground and only discern reality when they become victims themselves of merciless savages such as Hamas.

During the entire history of mankind, there are precious few examples of prolonged peace among peoples. Here’s an article that suggests hostile behavior among humans is the norm rather than exception. The makes a rather credible argument.

Accept That Savagery Is the True Nature of the World – and Deal With It by

If you want an indicator of how lost Western civilization has become, go to your kids’ school and check their rules on fighting. Most likely, you’ll find out if two kids get into a fight, both get suspended, regardless of whether one was a punk bully who started it and the other was simply defending himself or some little kid. This is a moral disaster, of course – violence in the defense of what is right is a moral obligation and a symbol of a greater rot within society. This is the kind of rule created by middle-aged, divorced cat women who can neither find nor satisfy a man and live in a tranquil bubble of affluent, frivolous safety and security created by their harder, worthier forbearers who understood the world’s true nature.

The true nature of the world is savagery.

The world’s true nature is that good is forever pitted against evil.

That has never changed. What happened over the last 70 years or so was an interregnum of peace in the West, created by violence against barbarians and facilitated by people willfully looking away from the butchery still continuing at the fringes of the map. The West managed to build a civilization that was – for the first time in history since perhaps the Pax Romana – generally internally peaceful. And the West convinced itself that this was normal.

But it was not normal. It was an anomaly, a glorious one, but an anomaly nonetheless. The world is not a peaceful place, and it never was, and it never will be. Despite the best efforts of the arrogant left, human nature has not changed. Human nature is vicious and cruel. Rousseau’s noble savage nonsense, which we are still dealing with today in the form of eager sophomores in Che t-shirts slobbering over Hamas psychopaths – is a giant fraud. Savages are not distinguished by their nobility. Their savagery distinguishes them. And we need to find the moral strength to do what is necessary to defeat them.

We must learn again to kill. We must learn again to destroy. We must learn again to be ruthless in defeating our enemies. The big lie that Western civilization tells itself is that there are no real enemies, that there are no bad people – except the people of the West themselves, who bear some sort of original sin for not being corrupt and inept Third World barbarians.

We do have enemies, as we have seen. We do have enemies, as they tell us. When they talk about decolonization, they are talking about de-you-ization. When they talk about killing settlers, you need to understand that you are a settler, and they mean killing you. They mean raping your daughter in front of you. They mean chopping your baby’s head off. They mean slaughtering your wife or husband, sons and daughters, and even your dog. And they mean enjoying it, reveling in the ecstatic glee of mass murder, and being so proud of it that they call home to their daddies and brag about it, or put up their body cam videos on TikTok.

The world was always a savage place. What happened on October 7 was not an anomaly. It was normality. What do you think happened to sacked cities in the past, which is what these Gaza-adjacent towns in Southern Israel essentially were? The attackers captured their objective, burned and razed the buildings, stole everything they could carry, raped anyone without a penis and some with, and piled corpses in the streets. We’re stunned simply because we forgot what a sack is, but for most of human history, people lived in terror of it happening to them, hoping for the chance to inflict one upon their neighbors.

We in the West, of which Israel is a part and thereby is hated, forgot about this. Worse, we have forgotten our strength and our courage. We have forgotten that we survive not through gentle hugging but through sword-swinging. For example, we have forgotten how to conduct a siege. The idea that Israel should somehow give these Hamas barbarians food, water, and electrical power even if it surrounds Gaza and prepares to attack is mind-boggling insanity. The moral illiteracy of expecting Israel to care more about the Palestinian people than other Palestinians do is simply bizarre.

Remember the Pax Romana? Do you think that peace just sort of occurred because everybody shared their feelings openly and without restraint? Do you know how the Romans did sieges? Let’s talk about Caesar at Alesia. The Gauls had gotten uppity and killed a lot of Romans, so Caesar decided to pacify them. The barbarian leader Vercingetorix took refuge in the hilltop town, and Caesar immediately surrounded it. He had his legionnaires build a giant wall around it to lock the Gauls inside. The Gauls called their friends for help, so Caesar built another wall around his besieging forces to keep the relief column at bay. He starved out Alesia, eventually forcing the Gauls to attack and defeating them handily. Then he took Vercingetorix back to Rome, made him march in chains in triumph, and then had his defeated enemy strangled. This was an important learning point for the barbarians. Don’t screw with civilized people, or everybody dies.

This is how you get a Pax Romana. There’s no other way.

The hard truth is that the world contains bad people who must be crushed through ruthless violence, which shocks and horrifies modern sensibilities. But it is reality nonetheless. When people want to kill you, you are at a decision point. You can either let them kill you or stop them. But stopping them often involves aesthetically displeasing actions, such as blowing them into little bits with bombs or shoving a bayonet into their guts and watching them die in agony. And it necessarily means inflicting death and damage on the noncombatant camp followers around them. That’s why they say war is hell. And that’s why starting one is probably not a good idea. But when someone else starts one, you have to choose them or you. Someone’s going to die badly, and you know, I propose it is those other guys.

The West didn’t start this fight, but it damn well better finish it, or they will finish us. Time to stop being soft. It’s time to stop lying to ourselves. It’s time to stop pretending that human nature took a 180° change a few decades ago and that we are not the same animals we used to be because now we have cars, airplanes, and Instagram.

We are the same brutal, cruel, and warlike creatures we have always been. Every headline, every act of hideous violence, and every pro-genocide cheer by the grad school sociopaths who fetishize Third-World savages, proves it. What we have to do is lift the scales from our eyes, understand the situation we are in, and accept it.

For the last couple of generations, we in the West have told ourselves that we have changed. We told ourselves that we are beyond violence. And we told ourselves that everyone else was too. But that was a lie.

We need to stop lying to ourselves. A society that suspends both kids when one of them slugs a bully is signing its own suicide note.

Even if our leaders refuse to be clear-eyed, you can be. Buy guns and ammunition.

Warden84 · November 1, 2023, 6:08pm

Liberals probably will hate the post, for sure. However, not for the reasons you think.

First, let’s look at the base premises of the post:

Violence in defense of what’s right is not just right, but a moral obligation and any society lacking said violence is evidence of a greater rot within said society . If that’s the case, Antifa fighting neo-Nazis should be endorsed by you…just like those of our past attacking the American Bund.

The West has built a civilization that was peaceful for the first time since Pax Romana, cited as generally, internally peaceful

Pax Romana cited as generally, internally peaceful

Pax Romana was accomplished through killing and destroying, being ruthless in defeating our enemies. (Odd he uses “our” in that reference).

Pax Romana was started when Caesar captured the “barbarian” leader Vercingetorix, the Gallic King and Cheiftan of the Arverni tribe who had united the Gauls in revolt against Roman forces

The defeat of the Gauls and death of Vercingetorix was a learning point for “barbarians” with the theme being “don’t screw with civilized people, or everybody dies.”

These are all quite interesting and even moreso, his perspective and self-placement within the argument.

First, let’s look at the main premise…Pax Romana being started with Caesar and the death of Vercingetorix

This is empirically false. Even a high school student would recognize that Pax Romana began with the rule of Caesar’s nephew Octavian/Augustus, after the defeat of Brutus and Cassius at the Battle of Phillipi. Pax Romana is cited as starting in 27BC, 19 years after the death of Vercingetorix.

What marked Pax Romana and the “success of Rome” wasn’t destruction and bloodshed leading to peace, after the “barbarians” were dealt with and “learned their lesson”, but by infrastructure projects and, in some areas, allowing their conquered lands to be ruled somewhat by themselves, or with a prefect. At no point, and in not a single history book, does Pax Romana related to “barbarians learning their lessons” rather than intense infrastructure building. They invested in roads, aqueducts, an official courier system, police, fire-fighting service, rebuilt much of Rome and invested heavily into the arts…building the Pantheon and marked by a time of writers like Virgil, Ovid, Horace, etc. )

This is markedly different than the premise Schlichter is presenting, quite the opposite, actually. Also, Pax Romana wasn’t peaceful…neither internally nor externally. Augustus, himself, celebrated 21 victories by 13AD…celebrated as Victorius Commander and the entire 4th chapter of his memoirs were devoted to military victories. By the end of his reign, Rome had conquered Hispania and the Alpine regions of Raetia and Noricum (modern Switzerland, Bavaria, Austria, Slovenia), Illyricum and Pannonia (modern Albania, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia). Judea was added to the province of Syria when Augustus supplanted Herod Archelaus, successor to client King Herod the Great.

Augustus was followed by Tiberius who led 3 campaigns into Germania, but could not subjugate the Marcomanni, on the Danube near Bohemia…ironically, the forebearers of Schlichter himself. Tiberius was then followed by Caligula, Cited as noble and moderate during his first 6 months, then known for being an insane tyrant with focus on cruelty, sadism, extravagance and sexual perversion. But, even Caligula was accomplished in that he focused the infrastructure building on aqueducts. Upon his assassination, he was followed by Claudius, who again, was an ambitious building of roads, canals, aqueducts, etc. He began the conquest of Britain.
Then, we have Nero…who had his mother and step brother murdered upon arrival, but again, spent much of the wealth and focus on building amphitheaters and expanding the games. He was marked by high taxation, quashing a revolt in Britain by Boudica and the Roman-Parthian War of 58-63 AD.

Now the curious aspect of the German’s premise is relating to Israel and his self-identification with Rome. The Jewish-Roman wars happened under Titus and Nero and were the very reason Jews were displaced FROM Jerusalem. The irony of his perspective is palpable. 3 different wars happened during this time, the 1st Jewish-Roman war of 66-73 AD, the Bar Kohkba Revolt in 132-136 AD and the Kitos War of 115-117 AD. These resulted in the destruction of the 2nd Temple, historically being the creation of which that led to Israelites/Hebrews being Jews for the first time. Additionally, it led to the overall destruction of Jerusalem and other towns and villages throughout Judea. A significant portion of the Jewish population was killed, displaced or sold into slavery and the overall area being named…for the first time in history…as Syria-Palestina. Again, you can’t get more ironic than this. Jews were forbidden from residing in the vicinity of Jerusalem. This Rome, which he identifies with so much, are the very people who dispersed the Jews, killed Jesus, and led to the largest Jewish diaspora in history.

No need to go through the rest of the emperors throughout Pax Romana.

The barbarians didn’t “learn their lesson.” Also, his beloved ROME was the very original cause of what we’re discussing with Israel right this very second.

What it appears he’s attempting to promulgate is justifying the concept of mass genocide, brutality, laying siege (wtf?) as somehow what’s “right” based upon a flawed premise and the idea that our history is brutal…but, we’ve forgotten how to fight, to kill, to lay siege. Apparently, he’s forgotten the 2 longest wars in American history, Vietnam, the cold war, the previous war in Iraq in the early 90s, all of it. Why? It fits his narrative. I find the entire article by Schlichter and the endorsement by you to both be little more than an attempt to use Israel and the Jews for your own personal narrative, endorsement of violence and genocide, playing to our base instincts as “morally right.” This isn’t rare for you both.

Both you and Schlicter have shown to not care in the slightest about actual Jews, but rather Israel as a power fighting Islamists, and little more. Schlicter, himself, got into it with the Auschwitz Museum claiming any Jew who supports Obama or Kerry are Nazis. Upon disagreement with the Auschwitz Museum, he then mocked them and kept attacking them on Twitter. Also, this man of German ancestry regularly tweets the # 14 on twitter, a known neo-Nazi slogan created by David Eden Lane, one of the nine founding members of the defunct white supremacist organization The Order:

The primary slogan in the Fourteen Words is “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”,[1][5][6][7] followed by the secondary slogan “Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth”.

This is the same Kurt Schlichter that didn’t say anything negative about neo-Nazis murdering Jews previously, like Anders Breivik, Payton Gendron, Brenton Tarrant, etc. Come to think of it, you didn’t either….but, you DID post from the same site those very people posted their manifestos on and you were in full support of said site and its authors.

The fact is, neither of you care in the slightest about Jews. You only care about Israel as a political body and whomever is fighting Islamists, you’re in. In fact, you don’t just want them fought, you want them annihilated along with their children and children’s children. This conflict is nothing more than something you can use to try and push your narrative that immorality is somehow moral, that we should embrace our base, primal instincts.

I wonder why Kurt doesn’t ever allow his parents to be listed in anything. Curious….I wonder what ratline his father used to get to the United States. Maybe uncle Rudolph helped before he died.

You know who self identified as the successors of Rome as well? Schlichter’s forefathers in Germany, the Nazis. Maybe that’s why he keeps using “we”, “our” and “us” when talking about Rome vs the Gauls, Jews, Celts, Britains, etc.

Stormfront · November 1, 2023, 6:46pm

DOES THIS MEAN YOU ARE RETRACTING YOUR LOVE FOR THE BIGGEST SUPPORTER OF JEWISH HATING COUNTRIES YOUR HERO BARACK LIKE THE COCK OBAMA?

Warden84 · November 1, 2023, 6:59pm

Again, not a single sentence you’ve ever posted has been accurate in any way. But, it is funny to see how such a distinguished black man has destroyed any link to reality you ever had, simply by being so much better than you could ever be, in every way.

Stormfront · November 1, 2023, 7:20pm

LOOKS LIKE YOUR COCK SUCKING HEROS BIG MIKE AND BARACK LIKE THE COCK OBAMA COMING SOON….

Warden84 · November 1, 2023, 7:31pm

Where’s the crime? What policy was changed? It was after his Vice Presidency. Where was the alleged quid-pro-quo? In fact, there’s not even anything alleged.

There was definitely a quid-pro-quo with the $1.2 billion Qatar property rescue for Kuschner, or the $2 billion Kuschner received from the Saudis, or the $1 billion Mnuchin received from the Saudis, or the LIV tournaments Trump received from the Saudis, or the money the Kuschners received from selling visas to the Chinese, or the money funelled into Trump’s campaign from the Russians through Jesse Benton and Doug Wead, or the overcharging of foreign dignitaries at the Trump hotels that vanished the moment he left office. We still don’t know the origin of the hidden Chinese bank account holding $6 million by Trump.

But, you’ve got $40k from a legal business venture. Super concerned…kind of like all the other allegations Comer has made that ended up being squat. Are we going to have ANOTHER President with nobody indicted from his cabinet (like Obama) for the 2nd time since Ford?
How’re those 91 felonies going?

bikki228 · November 2, 2023, 3:25am

There has never been an empire that survived as long as Rome. The Roman Legends were the premiere soldiers of Ancient Times and their strength ensured the security of Rome against foes for hundreds of years. The concept of peace through strength was validated by Roman success. When Rome finally collapsed as the ultimate governing power in Europe, what followed was known as the “Dark Ages.”

I support Israel destroying Hamas completely in Gaza. Hamas’s Charter spells out its intention to destroy Israel and to terrorize and murder Jews whether they be soldiers or civilians. There should be no cease fire until Hamas is vanquished and Israel can establish a responsible government in Gaza. I do not support a two state solution. Already there is a Palestinian state. It is called Jordan. IMO, Israel has the most genuine claim to the land, especially in light of how they improved the land and established the most enlightened and ethical nation in the region.

While I support Russia against Ukraine, I much oppose Russia not recognizing Hamas for what it is–a barbaric terrorist organization collecting endless donations from other countries used primarily to attack the Jewish nation rather than to care for Palestinians who are used as human shield protecting the terrorists.

If Israel did not have a first rate military, it would have been destroyed many years ago. War is hell, but Israel cannot allow Hamas periodically to commit barbarous crimes upon its people. , Israel must crush Hamas completely in spite of collateral damage. In the Middle East, peace is an elusive thing and has been shown time and again only achievable through strength as Ronald Reagan often articulated.

Warden84 · November 2, 2023, 1:29pm

False. You should stick to linguistics, because you’re history is terrible. First, it depends on how and what you calculate, but the Romans don’t win in either. The Egyptian empire lasted from 3100 BC to 332 BC when it was conquered by Alexander the Great. The Roman Empire was from 27BC to 476AD, 503 years. The Byzantine Empire was from 330AD to 1453AD, 1123 years. The Holy Roman Empire was from 800-1806AD, 1006 years. The Roman Republic was from 509 BC to 1453 AD, 1962 years, if that’s what you want to count. However, the Pandyan Dynasty was from 600BC to 1759, 2359 years. Chera’s Dynasty was from 221 BC to 1912 AD, 2123 years. Hell, Babylonia was from 1792 BC to 626 BC, 1166 years.
Also, that’s an irrelevant point. You’re trying to obfuscate because your history sucks.

Roman Legions, not legends. Roman Legends is a video game. Secondly, erroneous statement.

Rome never enjoyed peace. Your statement is invalid.

Accurate.

However, you’ve disputed absolutely nothing and provided nothing beyond an opinion. Your premises presented were proven false, empirically. You’ve offered nothing but a whine as a rebuttal. You’ve failed miserably to defend your position.

Irrelevant to the argument. You might as well tell me how you feel about the Philadelphia Eagles.

Now, that’s a curious statement. Why?

Not enough to concern yourself, obviously.

It’s because you demonize humans you disagree with and don’t value life in general. Your morality has been called into question quite frequently.

False. Reagan achieved nothing slightly or even remotely associated with peace in the Middle East. The most peaceful time in the Middle East was during the Renaissance in Europe, when the Middle East was split between Ottoman and Persian Empires. There have always been skirmishes or wars somewhere in the world, and the Middle East is no different. However, under the Ottomans, the region was minimally at war with each other.

In summary, you presented and argument that was overwhelmingly flawed in its historical accuracy, attempting to defend the narrative of pure brutality and immorality. In response, you’ve offered nothing resembling a coherent rebuttal, no disputing of dates or facts presented, and presented several falsities.

I expected you’d have a little more to offer. Again, stick to sentence structure, because you’re history and morality and lacking.

bikki228 · November 3, 2023, 12:10am

Nothing you’ve said Warden would nullify the peace through strength message indeed uttered numerous times by Reagan as it was the central theme of the excellent article by Schlicter. Actually, a good discussion could emerge between the philosophies of Hobbs versus those of Locke on this issue about the universally intrinsic character of man.

Dumb error on my part regarding legions; I noticed it earlier today, then saw you corrected me rather patronizingly. Truthfully, I was somewhat embarrassed. Indeed you also pointed some fallacies in my history in terms of chronology; I accept the corrections although I could add corrections to yours were I inclined to being more punctilious.

A rephrasing is necessary that I convey more clearly my thinking relating to Israel and its necessity to wield a big stick in spite of liberal criticism. Yielding to leftist persuasion is hardly in Israel’s security interest. Israel must react forcefully which is what historically works in curbing Islamic terrorism. Israel is faced with a moral dilemma realizing that innocent Palestinians will be killed or injured in extirpating Hamas forever from Gaza. Blame for this dilemma belongs ethically to Hamas which shows little regard for its people, even using them as human shield while frittering away foreign humanitarian monies to foment its constant intifada against the Israel state. Israel should not have to expect routine genocidal attacks on its people.

While accepting my statement about the duration of the Roman Empire, I respond that Rome may well have lasted longer than we may last. Comparatively, at this juncture, we’re a rather young nation. However, I regret having discussed duration because the importance of Rome as part of the bedrock of European culture and civilization which has led to development of a Western ethical standard superior to those of other world cultures, and its duration in many instances depended upon ability to defend nations and visit terrible punishment on enemies.

Stormfront · November 3, 2023, 2:18am

skeeter · November 3, 2023, 4:09am

Storm, who the fuck cares about some dumb ass meme posted by Elon Musk?

Responding with a mean doesn’t prove shit…And you just keep doing it. No one gives a fuck about your little memes

Stormfront · November 3, 2023, 9:41am

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING………

ROME IS BURNING…….

AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL STOP IT…….

THE FED IS DEAD……

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TRY TO PREVENT BANK RUNS?

WHEN YOU KNOW THEY ARE COMING….

WHILE YOU ARE DISTRACTED BY “WORLD WAR 3” THE REAL WAR IS HAPPENING………

THEN THEY WILL TELL YOU “WORLD WAR 3” CAUSED IT……

Warden84 · November 3, 2023, 11:51am

Again, I don’t know why its so hard to know basic history. This doesn’t even involve critical thought.
Rome burned in 64AD, under Nero. The empire lasted another 412 years after the fire.

Warden84 · November 3, 2023, 11:59am

You’re conflating ideas here, as if I’m trying to justify Hamas to attack Israel. I’m pointing out that the Nazi-sympathizing Schlichter, who regularly posts the Neo-Nazi mantra of the 14 words, is an idiot and his entire article was full of shit. The premise was flat out false. A calendar and a freshman level hs history book shows that. Also, the notion of using Rome as a bar to discuss Israel’s self-defense is asinine, considering Rome is the VERY reason Israel’s Jewish population was forced out of Israel in the first place, the reason the 2nd temple was destroyed, etc.

Instead of considering my entire post, you clutched your pearls and just spout rhetoric and childish finger pointing. Fact is, neither of you give the slightest shit about Jews, despite you being technically Jewish.
You care about Israel as a political body and an arm to attack Islamists. The only other points I made were outlining how his basic history and premise of the article was full of it, and that he’s a sack of shit with a history of being Antisemitic which doesn’t surprise me considering he’s German and hides his family history and wondering if uncle Rudolph might have gotten his papa out of Germany on a ratline…a snide notion, but not out of the question.

You know the ratlines, right…offered by the Catholic Church to Nazis after the war and dispersed through some wild channels, even the Red Cross? I mean, your penchant for your comrades in Project 13 and all…I figured you knew about ratlines.

Stormfront · November 4, 2023, 6:04pm

@bikki228

bikki228 · November 8, 2023, 8:29pm

As usual Warden posted a jackassery response to my excellent message. He of course denigrates the author of the article which is actually well-conceived and well-written. As a leftist, he has precious little regard for the Jews of Israel, and slights me for being callous on wishing to punish terrorists. War is the most immoral behavior of mankind wherein there are always collateral damages that are unavoidable. I would aver that a war cannot be won without loss of innocent lives.

In the case of Israel, the Hamas attack was as heartless as any that occurred during the infamy in Nazi Germany during WW2. Taking a woman’s baby and throwing it into a hot oven before raping the mother in front of her husband is a crime of such perniciousness that it requires punishment, revenge if you will.

There should be no cease fire against Hamas until Hamas has been destroyed. Otherwise, this same scenario will reoccur over and over again. Pray tell, Warden how you would deal with Hamas given that you are a liberal who purportedly exists on a higher moral plane.

I am not religious; I am an atheist, but I am also a Jew, and I love Israel which I regard as THE most civilized nation in the Middle East. Oddly, I never considered myself a Jew despite my heritage, that is, until I applied for Fullbright scholarships in Turkey, Iran and Egypt. I was offered two of the scholarships but the State Department sternly warned me about conditions for Jews working in the Middle East. Thereafter, I became proud of being a Jewish American considering the great contributions of my people to the progress of mankind.

Warden84 · November 8, 2023, 8:48pm

Well received by whom? Well written? Not even close.

Another lie, expounded upon above. Also, you care nothing about Jews. You care about Israel.

Your Nazi loving author doesn’t car about collateral damage and never referenced it. He called for the slaughter of the people of Palestine, not Hamas, and that we should gladly welcome it. He also used Rome as an example, showed his ignorance as to the fact relating to Rome, and ignored the fact that it was ROME that caused the diaspora of Jews, destruction of the 2nd Temple and enslavement of Jews in the first place. Then again, he regularly cites the 14 word mantra of Neo-Nazis, so I’m not surprised.

Again, you’re quite dishonest as a rule. At no point have I, even once, disputed Israel’s right to fight Hamas. Your article was written by an admitted Nazi sympathizer, lying about its premise, using Rome in the context of “we” when referring to himself, and then trying to use Israel’s fight for his own benefit to promulgate societies falling to their own violent, unhinged instincts.
But, you lie…like you do…like he did as well…to pretend I’m defending Hamas.

The facts are quite clear. Your author is a Nazi lover. He cites the 14 word mantra of Neo-Nazis publicly. He referred to “we” when discussing Rome at a very specific time when they literally enslaved the Jews, kicked them out of “their land”, destroyed the Temple and eliminated their opportunity to own land in said region.
You, I believe, would wear an SS pin and a very manicured Nazi uniform while you march your “brethren” into gas chambers if you were given the opportunity and lived back then in that context.

That’s not odd. See above.

bikki228 · November 9, 2023, 1:40am

I don’t perceive you as malignantly as you imagine. It is just you offer no solution to Israel’s problem to extirpate Hamas. Israel has always tried to restrain injury to civilians, but Hamas puts civilians in harms way in order to propagandize their deaths and injuries. Palestinians are taught to hate, and oh they cheered during 9/11. Any visit to a marketplace in Ramallah and you’ll find jewelry charms showing the World Trade Center afire.

Actually, I don’t expect you or myself to come up with a solution, it’s a highly intractable situation, but historically Israel has proven itself a worthy nation, certainly not nearly as violent as Syria, or even Jordan which is comprised by a majority Palestinian population ruled over by a Hashemite minority ruling class.

Palestinians were actually invented people. The economic success of Jews in Israel was like a magnet attracting Arabs from neighboring countries. Good jobs were to be found in Israel. It was Arafat who invented Palestinians who were disparate Arabs living in Israel. Arafat was in fact an Egyptian whose Arabic dialect was considerably different from that of most Palestinians. He was also a world class thief, leaving his wife, who preferred elaborate digs in Paris rather than in Ramallah, a fortune of over $4 billion, whose origin was aid monies supplied by Western nations to the most eternal refugees on earth. It’s a shame that Canada turned down Arafat during his youth when he desired to emigrate to Canada.

Israel made a mistake not letting Arik Sharon put an end to Arafat rather than allowing Arafat to return to West Bank. The first thing Arafat did when the Jews relinquished control was to close all the Jewish factories that provided good jobs for Palestinians. The same thing happened when Gaza was ceded to Arabs. Gaza has wonderful industries, especially famed for its green houses and production of winter vegetables. All the progressive improvements in Gaza were systematically destroyed. I presume success interfered with the infitadah.

I think you rankly misjudged Schlicter’s article. I thought it explained well, in Hobbian fashion, the inability of humanity to experience peace. There was relative peace within Rome for an extended period and it is recognized historically as the Pax Romana. A similar peace occurred in Mexico which has history dripping in blood during the dictatorship of Porfirio Diaz. They called it the Paz porfiriana. After forty years of forced peace, Mexico descended into the great Mexican Revolution of 1910.

Peace is a rarity in human history. Perhaps the fundamental nature of human is bellicoseness and peace no doubt has been achieved through strength, just as Reagan said numerous times.

Warden84 · November 9, 2023, 5:12pm

You don’t appear to have any grasp as to what I’m talking about and making this an egocentric thing. I don’t have an answer to the Palestinian problem. But, the article was endorsing brutality for the sake of brutality and only through ostentatious shows of force can one achieve peace. It’s a false premise and the example he used, Pax Romana, was not started at the time he stated, not started for the reasons he stated, and didn’t relate to the point he was making. Again, it’s not in question by almost anyone as to when Pax Romana started and what it was characterized by.
In general, I think Hamas uses the Palestinian people. I think everyone uses the Palestinian people, except actual Palestinian people. I am confused as to how they got in, if they were somehow allowed in, what Israel waited 6 hours to respond (if that’s even true - the first casualty of war is always the truth and quite a few of the sensational stories sound quite similar to the bullshit I heard about Kuwait in the early 90s that were 100% bullshit) when the place is the size of Jersey. But, Hamas has to go. Not sure what else one has to say.

The problem is a sole military solution simply isn’t a solution, logistically. Unless you wipe out ever soul there, Hamas 2.0 will come afterwards. There has to be a political solution. Not sure what that is, though. All I do know is it takes 50-75 of yours per 1000 of theirs to hold an insurgent location in place. Grab a calculator - the numbers don’t add up. Israel can’t put 100,000 to 150,000 people there full time, forever.

Now, you can’t go too long without lying. We know this. So, let’s address the outright lies…of which, all are easily verifiable as lies.

A lie. I mean, that’s as much of a lie as one can write. This claims there were just nobody there until the Jews came and their economic success forced the Arabs to come in and get some. That’s 100% bullshit in every possible way.
First, you claim Palestinians weren’t there, came when Jews achieved economic success, and were “disparate Arabs living in Israel” invented by Arafat.
First, they’re the descendants of the people who have lived there for over 1000 years. Originally, the region was obviously not Arab. Like many other “Arabacized” nations, the Arab identify was largely based upon linguistic and cultural affiliation, independent of any actual Arabic origins. During the 2nd millineum BCE, it was inhabited by Semitic-speaking Canaanites who the current Palestinians share a strong genetic link to. THEN, the Israelites emerged as a separate ethno-religious group, became the majority, and then were forced out by the Romans (the very Romans your article author referred to as ‘us’ and during the exact time he used as an example). After the 3 Jewish-Roman wars, the Christianization of the region began and formed late Roman and Byzantine Palestine, at which time it became Palestina Prima. In the 7th C, Arab Rashiduns conquered the land, later succeeded by other Arabic speaking Muslim dynasties. Over the next several hundred years, the population decreased dramatically and they began adopting Arabic culture and language, converted to Islam. It is argued as to when the majority Christians fled the area, but some say right before or right after the Crusades. During the Ottoman rule, Egyptians, Algerians, Bosnians, flooded in. It was referred to as Jund Filistin, a military district, but did not have a national identity.
The Palestinian national consciousness dates back to the peasants revolt in Palestine. During the British Mandate Palestinian referred to Christians, Jews and Arabs (though, again…genetically, they are not Arabs even to this day). In 1882, there were about 320,000 people there, 25,000 of which were Jewish. By 1911 a national identity had emerged with Palestinian nationalist organizations appearing right after WW1. The 1st Palestinian Arab Congress dates back to 1919.
Your notion that it was just barren until the Jews came in and were so wonderful economically that those darn Arabs came in and wanted a piece is 100% utter bullshit. Fact is, the majority of Jews were kicked out by YOUR Romans and the population that flooded in have been there, with some influx from other regions, ever since…until, they decided to come back in 5 groupings of influx, kicked the people living there out, locked them down, and got into some fights over it. I’m pragmatic and have no grand notions about returning whatever to whomever. We are where we are.
BUT…let’s talk a bit about who they are, considering you have a tendency to denigrate and demonize the people you have a problem with as opposed to discussing the facts of the case. It’s a pretty juvenile tactic and pretty easy to catch, btw.

First, Palestinians of today are not Arabic in any genetic sense, only linguistically and culturally…which occurred over centuries WHILE THEY WERE LIVING THERE before the Jewish population decided to go back (Again, after YOUR Romans threw them out). The Palestinians are incredibly diverse genetically.
In the north, people have a higher level of ancient Anatolian DNA, while if you go the south towards Egypt, people have higher levels of ancient Natufian DNA. They are a combination of the 3 stone age populations that shaped the Levant: Natufian, Anatolilan and Iran Neolithic. The average Palestinian genome breaks down to 35% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer, 33% Natufian, 20% Iranian Neolithic Farmer, 10% Caucasus Hunter Gatherer and 2% sub-Saharan African.
The Natufians were a proto-agriculturalist population that lived in the Levant between 15,000 and 11,500 years ago. Today this genomic component is most embodied in the Yemeni (Mahra). 35% are Anatolian Neolithic Farmer, which lived just north of the Natufians. Around 9000 years ago, they began to enter into Europe and the Levant, the latter forming a combination group called the Levant Neolithic Farmer. LNF makes up about 50-65% of the Palestinian genome. After the Stone Age, the Copper Age was characterized in the region by mass movement of the Iranian Neolithic people known as the Iranian Chalcolithics. Before the move, the people of the Levant were almost as different genomically to Iranians as East Asians are to Europeans today. Over the course of thousands of years, it brought a distinct Iranian characteristic to the Levant that set the stage for the Bronze Age Canaanites, which were a combination of the local Levantine Neolithic people (56%) and the Iranian Chalcolithic people (44%) to form the Bronze Age Canaanites, which were a northwest Semitic speaking culture that lived int he heart of the Bronze Age world. Based upon the DNA in the G25 database and the current Palestinian population, the samples show the current Palestinian population carry from 58% (Gaza) -73% (Palestinian Christian) of the Bronze Age Canaanite DNA.

For comparison…Ashkenazi Jews, like you and my wife, only carry 20-25% of the same DNA dating back to Bronze Age Canaanites. In fact, the group that most closely aligns with and holds the most of that Bronze Age Canaanite dna are the Samaritans, with up to 80%, 2nd the Palestinian Beit Sahour, then Lebanese Christians, Druze, Lebanese Druze, Karaite Egypt and Iraqi Jew.

So, if you want to talk about claim to the land, you have no legs to stand on. If you want to talk about religious claim to land, we can get into a LONG discussion of the divergent tribes of the time fighting over the worship of El vs Yahweh, and the myriad of Yahwists themselves and their battles over centuries. It’s not as easy to just say God said we could have it. It’s literally in the name given to Jacob, Israel - wrestles with El. El and Yahweh were quite different back in the day, Yahweh being one of the 70 kids of El. The Jews, after the 2nd Temple, were essentially the first recognized “Jews” as we know them, being Israelite and Hebrews beforehand, with all kinds of differing slants on the same Gods…and were polytheistic back then. The ones that won out, that we recognize today, were quite small for most of the time and quite radical for the time. They did win, though. Long story, fun topic. It’ll take me another 10 years to get a better grasp on it, though. Working on it. Lots of different groups in the funnel, though.

But, I am pragmatic. The Jewish people have it now, mostly with dramatically differing regional DNA than the people we consider Palestinians living there, and that’s that.

But, you entire line of horseshit is just that…horseshit, at least, in regards to how they ended up there and the part Jews played in that. it’s actually ridiculous you tried to pull that bullshit.

As for the rest, the closing of the factories, etc…I just don’t know and don’t find the use in learning if you’re right. BUT, based upon what you typically write (even in this post), you’re lying. You are pathological in that sense. If given the opportunity, you’ll just lie. So, based upon your history…probably full of shit.

As for Schlicter, he’s a Nazi. He repeatedly uses the mantra (publicly) of the 14 words of the Neo Nazis.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children

Relative, sure. Also, during the Pax Roman all 3 Jewish-Roman wars happened, the destruction of the Temple and the eviction of the entire Jewish population from Judea. (Define Irony). I doubt your ancestral brethren would consider that a time of peace.

You do this a lot, actually. Most of the time, I just don’t waste the time. BUT, you throw in little dictatorial anecdotes thinking nobody will catch it. Most of the time, it’s just not worth it. But, like all your other nods to dictators who benefitted a small group while leaving out or physically eliminating the group you’d consider the proletariat, Diaz is no different. Characterized by promoting economic policies that benefitted a small group of his buddies and foreign investors, consolidating wealth into large estates, often through violence and legal abuse resulting in strikes, uprisings from labor and the peasantry…a dictatorship just like the ones you always prefer, always support, always slide in there as if to place it as an enlightening anecdote showing your vast comprehension of history. I

In really, just like your bullshit linguistics acrobatics you try, they fail miserably. The only one who pays attention to them, me, knows your full of shit and usually knows more about the subject matter than you. History, like integrity, is not your strong suit.

Again, trying to STILL promote the lie. Have you always been so dishonest, as a fundamental part of your character?

The notion promoted by the Nazi Sclichter, was given as the reason for the peace of Pax Romana was because Julius Caesar took Vercingetorix back to Rome and made a spectacle of his death.
That’s false. No historian nor book nor article cites Pax Romana beginning at that time or for that reason. Pax Romana began with Julius’ Caesar’s nephew Octavian (Augustus), when he took the title Augustus Caesar and was characterized NOT BY STRENGTH nor increased brutality, but by infrastructure spending, enhancing the arts, and less focus ON said strength. It’s diametrically opposed to the notion you and the Nazi are presenting.

It shows either you’re both fucking idiots or fucking liars who think your audiences are fucking idiots. Either way, you’re flat out wrong. 9th grade history, dude. You’re full of shit.

Now, about that wire. I’m getting tired of compensating you for a lifetime of failed education.

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