https://www.axios.com/2022/10/11/tulsi-gabbard-leaving-democratic-party
Smart. There’s a lot more money to be made for her as a conservative.
Indeed.
" I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers who are driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism," she said in a video posted on Twitter.
Wow…Or maybe she actually means a little of what she says. This was the only democrat that I would consider voting for.
It takes balls to say what she did “Radicalizing”…“Cowardly Wokeness”…“Anti-White”
That’s fucking beautiful.
I mean sure she’s making a buck, but she’s “smart” as you called for…For realizing those problems in the Democratic Party. Fuck these progressives…Sick, sick people.
Why would that take balls? Her constituency has been GOP for years and years. She’s been a Dem in name only since before Trump. It doesn’t take balls to tell your constituency what they want to hear
As a general rule, politicians rarely do. But I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions.
She literally regurgitated right-wing talking points, verbatim, social media buzzwords and all. It is blatant pandering as evidenced by how well it worked on you.
But let me ask you this: If you think she is being so genuine, that she is so disgusted with the Democrat party to say this, then why did she run for president as a Dem not two years ago? When she dropped out, why did she endorse Joe Biden? It’s not like wokeness and race-baiting have seen a surge since Biden came into office.
The answer is obvious. Her future political career is likely to see more success in another party.
Tulsi’s constituency is politically savvy recognizing the failure of the leftist Biden administration. The fall of Joe Biden is imminent. Tulsi sees the handwriting on the wall. IMO, Tulsi is right to distance herself away from the crazies. I regarded her same as Skeeter., Tulsi was one of the very few Democrats whom I would have considered voting for were I a Californian or Hawaiian.
I can’t argue with this…But there is really no conflict with what either of us are saying. Her future is likely to see more success because (whether it is staged or not…I have no reason to believe it is, although I’m sure she has burned a few bridges)…Because her future doesn’t align with this radical left bullshit. If it’s that easy…Then why doesn’t she align with it? I mean I don’t see it saying anywhere that is joining the GOP (She may or at least give her support to them) and even if she does she’s a long shot at best for 2024 right? I mean there’s people above her on the GOP totem pole as well.
My point is she has been (increasingly so, and again I don’t follow politics like you guys do, I’m just going by when I hear/ssee her name mentioned, and her occasional tweets) quite vocal against things that I am against and I believe we all should be against, partisanship aside. While staying pro-choice, etc (although I believe she may be a little stricter on abortion than most of today’s left)
The Democratic Party is LEAVING HER and others who lean left on many issues moreso than her (us) leaving it.
She literally regurgitated right-wing talking points, verbatim, social media buzzwords and all. It is blatant pandering as evidenced by how well it worked on you.
To answer both you and @Warden84
Both of you have commented on the absurdness of wokeness at times…So are you simply regurgitating right-wing talking points then? The reality is is that this is the way the left is going? Hell I would still be voting for them if they hadn’t become this.
It’s not like wokeness and race-baiting have seen a surge since Biden came into office.
Ehhh maybe not by the day…And maybe moreso as coincidence. But Harris/Biden have certainly embraced it more than anyone else. And obviously some of that official “wokeness” because it grew in strength in the 20teens and those years ended with a republican in office and we have nothing else to compare to. In those years “Wokeness” moved from just being open-minded and accepting…To a fucking cult (you yourself have commented on the absurdity of this shit several time). Hell what woke CLAIMS to be, I’ve lived my 45 years like that…But what it has become, nah ya gotta be able to pump the brakes. Whether that’s how she feels or just a plat to advance on, I’m cool with it either way
Your point is well taken, maybe she used to see an avenue as a moderate dem…And now she doesn’t see that path anymore (i.e. the party is moving more extreme left regardless) To me, moving on (even if for one’s career) is better than supporting this absurdity. She supported Biden last time, she isn’t this time…That’s a plus for me. (and honestly I could care less about Biden, but he’s a puppet and is going out of his way to divide even further, and obviously he has to appease a large portion of his base, which is indeed the woke cult)
The average Joe is more than willing to compromise on so many points right now…And I believe many (at least for now) would see her or someone like her as that compromise.
Gimme police reform within reason
Gimme pro-choice (preferably first trimester, or hell even extend it just a little further)
Flat tax or even slightly progressive…ok. I think it’s bad news to go further than that
All the gender-bending, white supremacy fairy tales, border bullshit, and push for communism…(I personally can’t see how student loan forgiveness is a good thing, and if it would stop right there I’ll never say another word, but will it?) No thanks. We should all be anti- AOC, basically…So if her or any other politician moves away from AOC, that’s someone regardless of their party that I would appluad could be someone I’d vote for.
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Bye felicia
So I guess basically the next question I’m asking, out of curiosity…Where is someone like Gabbard not left enough for you or @Warden84 @thre305ive ? If she ran with the exact same stances she did, what would you have a problem with and not vote on her for?
Rational humans rethink circumstances. In light of the utter failure of the Biden Administration, Tulsi experienced an epiphany of realization and has rejected the party responsible for the chaos that has besieged this nation. Even a politician is capable of seeing the Light As I recall historically President Arthur had such an epiphany after assuming office. An Armed Forces veteran, Tulsi bid adieu to the warmongering Democrat Party.
You’ll recall in the past I named Gabbard a rising person in the Democrat Party and offered that she would be a formidable choice as the Democrat standard holder for the presidency in the 2024 election. Most of you laughed at my suggestion. Now, my prediction is that she’ll become an independent, as is Bernie, however, I still wonder with what party she’ll choose to caucus. I am hoping she’ll choose the Republican Party. I am not head over heels a Republican, but voting Democrat is simply in my mind out of the question. Gabbard would make a fine Veep candidate standing with Trump or DeSantis.
I mean, she has in the past. She was on the Bernie Sanders 2016 campaign.
No because I don’t call them an elitist cabal of warmongers who stoke anti-white racism. It’s like she filled up her entire bingo card with one sentence.
I’m not saying she may not sometimes have a point or that people can’t agree with her on certain things, but this statement is a pretty far out signal of her new affiliation.
I’m not sure I agree that Biden is some huge proponent of wokeness. What policies or big talking points does he push with regards to wokeness?
Let’s be real. The vast majority of the extra ridiculous woke stuff is random stuff on a local level or within a company. It isn’t coming from the federal government. And yes, there are more progressive Dems who eat this stuff up, but Biden is much more moderate overall.
I honestly don’t know too much about Gabbard’s politics. Why would I since I don’t live in Hawaii?
It seems she generally sides against wars, which is good. I don’t know where she stands on supporting Ukraine against Russia’s war, though.
But her populist talking points are enough to turn me off. It tells me she’s pandering, that she either has nothing else to say, or that if she did say what she felt it would turn us off even more so she doesn’t say it.
If you are asking if I would vote for her for president, then I would need to see what issues she is running on. I don’t know what her 2020 campaign was about, but I imagine any new campaign would totally change as did the rest of her politics since then.
Are you beating your chest because, after Gabbard ran for president in 2020, you predicted she would run again in 2024?
Or are you proud that you were wrong her about being a Democratic standard holder?
I can’t say I’ve seen that before. I don’t understand what you’re bloviating about.
I get it. But we aren’t talking about that. Lot of dumb, unprecedented shit has happened since then. It’s never enough.
No because I don’t call them an elitist cabal of warmongers who stoke anti-white racism. It’s like she filled up her entire bingo card with one sentence.
Where is she wrong lol? JMO…I understand your point, but again sounds like simply summarizing for me. And I think it’s a sign of what she is (or at least is advertising/claiming) to be moving away from. But to your point, it’s not like she has a lot of new destinations to choose from.
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’m not sure I agree that Biden is some huge proponent of wokeness. What policies or big talking points does he push with regards to wokeness?
That’s like a softball lol… What about transgender athletes literally within a couple days of inauguration. And I would agree Biden isn’t AOC.
I honestly don’t know too much about Gabbard’s politics. Why would I since I don’t live in Hawaii?
It seems she generally sides against wars, which is good. I don’t know where she stands on supporting Ukraine against Russia’s war, though.
But her populist talking points are enough to turn me off. It tells me she’s pandering, that she either has nothing else to say, or that if she did say what she felt it would turn us off even more so she doesn’t say it.
If you are asking if I would vote for her for president, then I would need to see what issues she is running on. I don’t know what her 2020 campaign was about, but I imagine any new campaign would totally change as did the rest of her politics since then.
I just figured you guys follow politicians and their history a lot more than I do…Or maybe just Warden does. And I kinda meant in general using someone like Gabbard as an example.
I do disagree with he “rest of her politics” changing…Or at least as in a complete 180. I’m not saying it isn’t the case, and you are probably right to a certain extent. But again things radical push left is occurring, and she may simply just be moderate. Pretty much my point of my whole question to you.
The executive order was mostly about anti-discrimination to protect trans people. I believe it mentioned that trans students should be able to go to school and compete in sports without prejudice. Yes, that is a mention in SCHOOL sports, but I believe the NCAA already allows trans students to compete, no?
Either way, the trans athlete issue seems to have been something Biden has avoided. There are still calls for him to hurry up and codify something before the election, but he doesn’t seem to be doing it.
Overall, this reinforces my opinion that Biden is not some bastion of wokeness.
I’m not very political, believe it or not!
I’m a pretty moderate guy. I think it’s a little weird to go to political rallies and be so fervent about politicians. I believe most Americans are normal people who just want to be left alone to strive for success in their lives.
Ditto…All I’ve been saying since day one.
Unfortunately, this be true. Whereas you see positive, I see negative tho
why?
We need an active and engaged citizenry in a democratic country. Not an apathetic one.