"God forbid I die, that's going to be so embarrassing"

[GardenStateCane]

@thre305ive

Yes, that’s because treatment has evolved.

How much do you think that factors into vaxxed people recovering so well? Or is that not a factor?

[GardenStateCane]

@Elite80

Any clown that thinks this thing is like the flu…deserves to get this virus.

What a dickhead comment.

Hey 80, leave me out of your moral high ground posts.

It’s not my fault your friend is sick. And I’m entitled to my opinion regardless of anyone you know getting COVID.

[skeeter]

@thre305ive

Not usually. Vaccinated deaths are very low. Feel free to bring numbers and debate them with me.

Numbers are in the other thread…Not posting things 8000 times fro you people.

[skeeter]

@Elite80

ny clown that thinks this thing is like the flu…deserves to get this virus. I have know at least five people in the last week that have been put in the hospital because of Covid. One is a family friends son who is fighting for his life…BUT HEY…ITS THE FLU…

Never met one person in my life who has died of the flu…Not one. Wish I could say the same thing for covid.

Go fuck yourself you fucking cunt…

This mfer doesn’t know one influenza death…But every other person he person he comes into contact with dies from covid.

You’re a fucking phony. Piece of shit.

[Stormfront]

@Elite80

Any clown that thinks this thing is like the flu…deserves to get this virus. I have know at least five people in the last week that have been put in the hospital because of Covid. One is a family friends son who is fighting for his life…BUT HEY…ITS THE FLU…

Never met one person in my life who has died of the flu…Not one. Wish I could say the same thing for covid.

SO ANGRY…

YET HE HASN’T UTTERED A WORD OF HOW UPSET HE IS WITH CHINA…

HOW UPSET HE IS WITH THE OBAMA MAFIA FOR NOT HOLDING CHINA ACCOUNTABLE…

WEIRD OUTRAGE…

HE IS UPSET WITH PEOPLE POSTING DATA AND FACTS WHICH HE HAS POSTED NONE OF…

[skeeter]

@Elite80

I have been going to this place for the past 15 years…He did not get a vaccine and now the FLU according to Storm has this poor man clinging onto life. Storm should donate so his family can help pay for the bills while his FLU goes away.

What in the living fuck is your point you distraught maniac?

[thre305ive]

@GardenStateCane

How much do you think that factors into vaxxed people recovering so well? Or is that not a factor?

Better treatment helps people regardless of their vax status, but unvaxxed people get sicker and are at more risk for death. Why are you playing stupid on this point?

[thre305ive]

Oh wait I forgot we were doing face morphs

[Elite80]

Storm, I do blame China. I think they were responsible and they let this virus out against the world. I feel that we as well as many other nations should get retribution for what China did.

GSC, moral high ground. Wait you are the one person who sits here and cries about abortion but when people are getting sick and die their lives dont matter. It is not an either or…You either believe all loss of life is bad or not. I on the other hand…while not for Abortion…I dont believe it is my right to tell some strange women what to do with their body. That is the difference.

Lets blame Obama for everything…mind you he told Trump that a virus like this one was a major threat to our country…Only to have Trump rip up everything in the report and throw it away…Maybe we should hold our president…oh wait former president responsible.

[IndianaCane]

Elite still hasn’t answered my question on the health level of your friends.

The stats say that the vast majority of folks beat this.

Tell me everyone you know is young and healthy and the right weight. I’m sorry for you man but you must have all the outlier friends in the nation.

The stats don’t back up your anecdotes. You are either lying or hang out with the most unhealthy of the unhealthy.

And yes, I know that in rare cases some healthy people get sick and die. But it’s statistics! 99.99% of people under 50 survive. How do you know all the folks that don’t? Tell us about the ones that just got a cold. That’s what I hear from everyone I know (even my 94 year old grandma).

[djrion]

@IndianaCane regarding response to nole80

Absolute shameful and disgusting post.

Y’all really are human trash.

[IndianaCane]

Back at ya brother.

I am OK with myself and don’t need your message board validation to tell me what type of person I am. You know nothing about me.

Nothing.

[IndianaCane]

Not even sure why I respond to DJ. He’s a totally lost individual. Hateful human being, really unlikeable type. It’s pretty obvious.

My comment to Elite was not inflammatory in the least. I said many times above that I’m sorry if he’s known someone that died.

I’d just like a little more context and background because most younger, healthier people without preconditions aren’t dying. And Elite knows a lot of these folks? How many folks does he know that got it and bounced right back. I know so many of them.

[GardenStateCane]

@Elite80

GSC, moral high ground. Wait you are the one person who sits here and cries about abortion but when people are getting sick and die their lives dont matter. It is not an either or…You either believe all loss of life is bad or not. I on the other hand…while not for Abortion…I dont believe it is my right to tell some strange women what to do with their body. That is the difference.

How stupid is this comment?

A person who gets sick from COVID has choices. He can sit at home and do nothing. He can try a home remedy. He can go to a hospital. He can try medications.

A baby that is aborted is simply slaughtered.

How the fuck can you compare the two.

One is a natural part of life (getting sick) the other is murder you nitwit.

@thre305ive

Better treatment helps people regardless of their vax status, but unvaxxed people get sicker and are at more risk for death. Why are you playing stupid on this point?

But vaxxed people carry additional UNKOWN risks, correct? Why do you leave that out as well?

We’re talking about small margins of protections vs large margins of unknown risk.

[IndianaCane]

@GardenStateCane

But vaxxed people carry additional UNKOWN risks, correct? Why do you leave that out as well?

We’re talking about small margins of protections vs large margins of unknown risk.

This is well articulated and is what I’ve been trying to convey but haven’t been able to do a good job.

[90scane]

Can you do one of Stormy and Trump? The STORM is coming.

[90scane]

@GardenStateCane

But vaxxed people carry additional UNKOWN risks, correct? Why do you leave that out as well?

We’re talking about small margins of protections vs large margins of unknown risk.

First, without better data on hospitalizations/deaths broken out by VAXX/UNVAXX all of these discussions are opinion! Both sides!

I’ve tried to find NON-CDC reports and data for the above and here is the only report I could find:

Unvaccinated people 37x more likely to get COVID-19, 120x more likely to die...

I’m not saying their report doesn’t have Bias!

What I believe is true:

1. The Moderna vaccine is effective especially within the 6 months at preventing transmission but the effectiveness against Delta and transmission drops into the 70% range. This is backed up by the Mayo Clinic report and a few others that BASH Pfizer. Pfizer’s effectiveness drops to 40% against delta or after just a few months.
2. Both vaccines appear to lower the risks of death and hospitalization across the board. This is not likely needed for people under 50 and healthy.
3. Covid is becoming less and less harmful for kids BUT they can spread it to adults.
4. Deaths are increasing again which means the majority of our doctors have no moral compass if some of the said treatments work (HCQ) OR those treatments just don’t work as stated.
5. There is a very real risk to all humans that vaccines could allow Covid to mutant into a super virus. How big is that risk, I really don’t know but I’ve read enough that it is a concern.
6. The vaccines have REAL side effects and the CDC has decided to not report or collect data on them. Thus, we have no way of knowing how bad the vaccines are for us.

Just trying to bring these discussions back to facts we can actually discuss.

[GardenStateCane]

5 + 6 alone are enough to justify not taking any of these vaccines.

[90scane]

5. Only IF it has a high likelihood of happening, we really don’t know as it is just a theory.

6. Wouldn’t we see lots more deaths from the vaccine? I thought you guys have said the death numbers are way down, I could be wrong.

I would advocate for the Moderna vaccine for people over 50 OR unhealthy. Especially those over 50 and unhealthy. I can’t get behind the continued use of Pfizer let alone boosters when a better option (Moderna) should be available.

[thre305ive]

@GardenStateCane

We’re talking about small margins of protections vs large margins of unknown risk.

@IndianaCane

This is well articulated and is what I’ve been trying to convey but haven’t been able to do a good job.

Except it’s the opposite. We’re talking about large margins of protection against covid vs small margins of unknown risk of the vaccine.

Unvaccinated people 37x more likely to get COVID-19, 120x more likely to die…

“Small margins” …