6 War for the East

Storm Shelter
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In line with what I said at the beginning of Phase 2 of this war, you really get the sense that Russia has been having its day.

I now get the sense that things will be turning back to Ukraine.

Severodonetsk
To start with the last week, Ukraine appears to be retreating from Severodonetsk. I believe there’s only been limited fighting. I have also heard rumors that UA retreating into the more heavily fortified industrial sector of town to defend from there, but I am not sure what is true.

In the end, Severodonetsk is not very strategic to either army, though completing capture of Luhansk will be a huge political victory for Russia.

Word is Ukraine ultimately plans to hold out in Lysychansk, which is sort of the same town but on the west side of the river. We can only wait and see if that’s true.

Oil
Hoo boy is this a big one. The EU just passed sanctions to IMMEDIATELY CUT 2/3rds of Russian oil imports, with plans to up that to 90% by the end of the year.

This is the deathblow that were imagined through sanctions. Of course Russia will now announce they are suspending oil to more countries to appear to be in the driver’s seat of these changes, just like last time. Either way, this is big. It cuts to the heart of the Russian war chest, forces them to find other buyers, and will likely force them to discount their oil EVEN MORE than it already is.

In short, not only will this ween Europe off Russian energy, this will make Russia hurt.

MLRS
And now for a potential game changer on the battlefield. The delivery of long range Multiple Launch Rocket Systems will finally give Ukraine the ordnance to stem the Russian tide. This, frankly, will see us enter a period of UA weapons dominance (given the caveat that Ukraine must successfully defend these systems).

This twitter thread goes into it more. (I hope the images are still working… the maps are valuable info.)

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@dallascanes

I know he’s you’re friend but my lord. What is wrong with this guy?

Who attacks bikki like this? Fucking bikki? The nicest man on the planet.

Please keep your boy in check. He’s making you start to look bad with his constant trolling and attacks on the board.

Everyone bitches about Storm but this guy is 10x worse.

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Dude that statement is 10x tamer than what skeet posts every day. Don’t start clutching your pearls out of nowhere.

That said, I agree we could all tone down these types of attacks. There’s no need for it and it almost always reveals a weakness in the person making the attacks.

(Also, I would add that calling someone a Nazi is worse than calling someone a lying piece of trash, so bikki isn’t blameless here.)

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I mean not to pat ourselves on the back but you and I are a very good example of civil discourse. We don’t bat each other over the head or go for the jugular.

Sure- we take digs and may poke fun but it’s always been civil, in my opinion, between us. And I sometimes wildly disagree with you and I’m sure Vice versa.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Skeet has used strong language but I would argue he feels attacked. He doesn’t usually provoke in my opinion.

I picture Skeeter as the kind of guy that if men are arguing with him and his boys in the street, he’s the quiet one…. Until it’s go time. Then it’s trouble. I’m very similar.

I don’t want problems with no one. But I’m also the type to say “no problem” when other want them.

Warden on the other hand has been trolling and insulting and attacking since moment 1 on this board. And he’s not even a fan of Miami.

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I would hard disagree here.

Skeet’s main tactic is to jump into a thread for the sole purpose of owning the libs. He rarely adds any information. All bark and no bite. That is the literal definition of provocation.

I’d be the quiet one until it’s go time. Maybe you would be too. Skeeter is far far from the quiet one.

I don’t disagree with you. He can post quality stuff when he wants to. A lot of his more spammy traits stem from the days of SF but those tactics aren’t needed anymore. I agree he should lay off the insults, as should skeeter and DJ.

Agree 100%. I will take jabs at your critical thinking but we don’t generally attack each other as people.

Really, when I argue, I don’t hope to “win” in the sense of convincing people 100% of my view, but I’d be happy to open their eyes a little and have them consider something they wouldn’t have before.

Although “winning” is fun too.

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Cry me a river, bitches.

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Another attempt to reach out for backup, for someone to come help, huh? You fucking pussy! You don’t like getting called names? I showed you regularly how you call people names on here for the opinions being different than yours. You always have an excuse…you never take responsibility for anything. Cry some more for me

Oh, now attacking the character or presentation of @dallascanes, huh? You’re really reaching out with a big pout, huh, little one? I thought you were into free speech and against cancel culture.

As I’ve discussed and shown before, you’re an all out hypocrite in every sense of the word and haven’t shown a single shred of integrity on a single day I’ve been on here.

You show regularly how Trumpkins are just total wimp, pussies without any backbone, any integrity, any honor, any patriotism and full of hypocrisy.

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Yet, you don’t do this with DJ. You also show no concern when Skeeter does it to 51, or to me or to DJ. In the end, you show regularly how you’re just a hypocrite and have no values in any way.

Sure. I can show you how that’s horseshit and you know it. The fact is, you do it as well. I’ve pointed it out and you have another excuse…always, another excuse.

You do it. Skeeter does it. Bikki has done it. You just don’t like getting called out and are a bit of a whiny little thing

Trolling is just making antagonistic comments without points. I rebut most of your points regularly. You, again, are just a bit of a whiner who doesn’t like it when other people think differently than you. Also, you show a regular penchant for authoritarianism, because you can’t handle life on your own. You want the state or the authority to come fix your problems…which is other people, for you.

Also, I am a fan of Miami. I explained that earlier, just not my favorite team. BUT, I find your little comment, your little whine, to be absolutely adorable.

Tell me, did you save your tears last night for me? I’d like to wash my hands in them

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Agreed. However, when this was originally presented and attempted for a short time on my part, I kept reading Skeeter attacking and nobody said anything. GSC, who always has excuses and never owns up to literally anything, didn’t say a word. When Bikki talked about drowning people in a white trash bog in Alabama, nada. Not one single word during all the time with Storm when every single post had a derogatory name for his opponents on this board…though not as crass, it was presented in every single post - but, was GSC saying anything about personal attacks or name calling? Not a word. In fact, I’ve shown where GSC does it himself, and of course, has an excuse…“but, but, but…DJ is mean! He deserves it!”

The fact is we aren’t debating policy on this board. We never have. I’ve tried to start a post on policy questions and it went down the tubes. More to the case on here is character, or lack thereof. Bikki is dishonest in almost every single post, not wrong only, but dishonest. Skeeter is a troll for the most part, rarely posting any content other than insults, and when he does post content - it is twitter posts from his two or three favorite characters (the chin beard guy, the Bartstool sports guy, and another political sports guy - forgot it name). Storm is apparently struggling from a mental handicap.

Yet, everyone on here outside of that is usually presenting posts, researching content. Hell, DJ puts in a journalistic attitude in covering the war.

If we were debating actual points from a standpoint of integrity, admitting when we got shit wrong, the other points, acknowledging reality…you’d have a point. We’re not though. Skeeter will man up. Outside of that, when exactly has Bikki been honest enough to have a debate? When has GSC taken responsibility for his opinions, votes, affiliations or acknowledged even the slightest modicum of reality? You can’t debate a dude who doesn’t admit what’s real, lives in conspiracy land, and then doesn’t man up to his takes…EVER?
You can debate Skeeter. Skeeter is a prick and I love it. If you call him out, he’ll debate you to the last line for hours and he’ll man up, he’ll get more genteel, less attacking. Of all of the right wingers on here, and I know Skeeter doesn’t consider himself to be one outside of every single fucking post he makes, Skeeter is by far the one with the most integrity. He’s also the biggest shit talker on here and attacks people using words I’d never even consider.

I do, however, have a tendency to personally attack one’s character. I wonder if GSC ever played ball, joined a fraternity or what not…because, if you can’t take this razzing, how the fuck did you grow up? Is GSC a Gen Zer? I can’t imagine a Gen X guy being such a wimp over words.

I’ve known Dallas for 25 years. We’ve talked nearly every single day for 25 years. I’ve driven him to the hospital. He’s gotten me out of being stuck at an airport in Ohio. I was at his wedding. We just had dinner last week. But, we both played sports in Texas growing up. We were both in the same fraternity. Dude, I’m not sure if Jersey is soft, but this is nothing. I can’t see how you grow up playing sports, being part of a team, etc., and not have been razzed dramatically more than this by even your friends over the years.
But, here…on a message board with words you can just scroll away from…you can’t stop crying, whining for Skeeter, whining for Dallas, whining, whining, whining. This is a message board! These are typed words! We’ve all shown that once the conversation starts getting good, we all…me, Skeeter, Bikki…everyone gets more tame and more into the conversation and it can go really well. The problem is you don’t enter the discussion in good faith and that’s why/when you get attacked. Be honest, man up, admit your bullshit when its there and I’m sure the conversations will flow more cordial. When you come back with shit like Biden has controlled the media for decades or Trump doesn’t lie, you’re just being a dishonest and you know it. If you really believe that, you need actual mental health treatment. I get shit wrong, but I’m not intentionally lying to you. If you want to have a cordial conversation or debate, try being honest for once. You want to tell me Biden is too old to be President and seems his brain broke? I’ll admit I think he’s so difficult to watch, I don’t. Obama’s red line was a mistake? Totally. But, you don’t take even a moment to be honest about anything regarding your side, owning up to shit, ever. So, debating policy is moot when you don’t enter into the conversation in good faith, which I attest that you absolutely do not. Neither does Bikki. At least Storm legitimately goes into it in good faith, he’s just…wow…out there.

You have a dick. Grab a hold of it for a moment; remind yourself you’re a man. Now man up and stop being a pussy! Also, research your stuff more because I get bored picking your ignorance apart.

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I’ve explained already. He’s called for the death of posters. For years. He is the biggest scumbag I’ve ever come across.

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Skeeter has called for the death of DJs family members. You’re full of shit and a hypocrite in every possible way. No go cry to Skeeter or Dallas or your mommy for me.

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I’m response to DJ calling for HIS DEATH!

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Oh I agree. The message of every one of SF’s posts was that everybody else was an idiot and he was the only one with the truth.

I think we all “look the other way” when people get crass a certain amount. If DJ goes off on somebody for being a Nazi, I might roll my eyes but ultimately let it go because I’m not involved. The same often happens when skeeter and 51 get into it. Who has time to read all that? So we tend to only be antagonized by the crass talk when it’s directed at us, which means it falls along party lines.

That said, if we’re gonna address it out in the open, we can’t be disingenuous about it. We can’t pretend bikki is a nice grandpa who never called anybody a cunt or a Nazi. If we’re gonna call out the behavior, we should call it out everywhere and pretend it doesn’t only exist on one side.

We sometimes do but overall, as sad as it is, I agree.

100% agree with both these characterizations. Bikki is self aware enough to know it too, though he would never publicly agree. Bikki is just “having fun with us” and everyone knows it.

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Fixed it for you.

And I added as much or more information (usually with run and hide and crickets in return) during covid, the bullshit race nonsense, etc…

And I only resorted to insults when others had gone too far

Now all I do is expose double standards, partisan sheep types, and some of your stupidity in defending this theatre of the absurd.

I’d be the quiet one until it’s go time.

You don’t know what “go time” is…You’re softer than babysit…Who you kidding here, cornball?

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This ^^^

Djrion started most of the shit on this board…If I ever see the dude, I’m thumping on him. Not to mention every single one of you who claim not to be an extremist should have a problem with him because that’s what he is…1000%. Not to mention he is just weird and comes off like Miley Cyrus when he types…Weird dude. Asshole. This is before we get into the goatee…

But also some of it is just death humor…Me and a few friends always take part in it. I believe an old-time bookie kinda started it and it was more popular in his day. He’d blow a game in spectacular fashion on a pick 6, a buzzer beater, etc. and wish cancer of the eyes on the QB, and everyone who bet the winner with him, etc…Root their whole family dead, etc…Funny shit, so just kinda stuck with me.

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Actually, Warden, your lengthy post was pretty damned good reading. In more than 15 years on this message board, I’ve only once or twice called anyone a name. My wishing to throw either you or Dj into the bayou was figurative expression although I do think there would be a measure of pleasure holding either of you under water, in just a mild waterboarding fashion. The water in the bayou is actually very clean though sometimes darkened by tannins… The bayou has numerous artisan wells of potable water emptying into it though it rises and falls with the tides in the Mobile/Tensaw Delta.

If I am wrong on something, it is never prevarication, but through error. I have a good memory that I suppose is more prone to error that in past years I am just a few months younger than the president who is really bonkers… Generally, I write from memory. I am a good trivia player(good memory) save for modern music and television. Most of my life, I never owned a television. If I am wrong which I think is seldom, I am not one who isn’t totally amenable to admitting so, though I might also ignore a response, more persuaded to replying to another post. As I recall, I debated you Warden on the Trayvon Martin case which I knew backwards and discussed with some of my friends who are attorneys, a few are judges, one a retired federal magistrate…You have won a few with me, but you didn’t win that one. I am also right about Ukraine, and it rather irks me that it is taking so long for some of you to realize it, but I think you’ll ultimately discover that Russia was prodded by us and by NATO , two broken treaty agreements, to intercede militarily in Ukraine. It was not much different than our own Cuban missile crisis. Putin is less evil, and a helluva lot smarter and pragmatic than Americans give him credit in being. At heart, Russia is a European nation and shares more similitude with Europe than it will ever share with China. Lastly, Ukraine really does have a Nazi and radical right wing problem. As a secular Slavic Jew, I still have family hostility toward Nazis. Certainly, it is good sense rather than a case of treason to disagree with Joe Biden who historically has been invariably on the wrong side of issues, which is not my opinion but that of others, even some Democrats.

You’re smart enough Warden to write what I consider a seminal post like the one in this thread. So, now you should live up to your philosophy and stop wallowing in the mud with pigs. When you make an affirmative defense of your premise, soften your response. For example, declaring something to be a “lie” not only imputes that it is wrong, but the person making the claim is intentionally dishonest. As such, you’ve lessened your chance of getting a civil response. Likely, you’ll be called a cunt, full of shit, or threatened to be immersed in bog water. So much for a debate on the issue.

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It’s the way they actually reveal themselves.

What’s the saying? Birds of a feather fly in a flock?

Or better yet…

Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future.

305 claims to be so moderate but literally backs that moron and the other moron up on everything.

You and I and Indiana and bikki have called Storm out. We’ve disagreed with him. Shit you guys still see me doing it in private messages.

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And you see me doing the same.

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Pretty impressive counterattack by the UAF in Severodonetsk. I didn’t mention it over the last few days but, at this point, enough information has come in to definitively say Ukraine has taken back most of the city.

We don’t know the exact situation. Some people say UAF withdrew to lure in the Russians and then imposed heavy losses once they were exposed. I lean more with common sense: Russia leads the spear with artillery. The proper thing for infantry to do is to withdraw (not retreat) from artillery. Then, as the forces advance, the infantry returns to defensive positions.

With Russia specifically, as they have done in other wars, they send in the foreign units to clear the city. This reduces Russian casualties. So, Ukraine waited out the artillery and pushed back against inferior forces.

And after all this time, the Popasna front stalled, and Russia has still been unable to encircle the city.

None of which means that Russia won’t be able to take Severodonetsk, but it has been an impressive stand.

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The funny thing is, wait for it, GSClown is lying. That is, unless, GSClown, bikki, and skeeter are Nazis. Then, of course, GSClown would be correct.

All Nazis should die a horrid death.

Maybe if GSC lies enough, it will become true! Sound familiar to trump?