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Storm Shelter
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The judicial branch COULD have something to do or some final say IF a suit is brought and jurisdiction is there.

I’m not saying they would or wouldn’t. I’m saying it’s a possibility. Either side COULD bring a suit. Trump tried it on his side and couldn’t establish jurisdiction in most cases.

If it went the other way- the Dems or parties on their behalf COULD bring suit through the federal or state courts. I’m not sure why you think that’s not a reality.

Want to explain yourself and why you think the judicial branch would have no role if prompted?

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Ill ask you again: do you think the VP has the right to unilaterally reject electors from certain states?

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You keep using this “unilateral” qualifier that I keep telling you doesn’t apply.

Firstly, the entire process of counting electors is a collaborative process. State secretary of States send slates of electors. They are then presented to the Senate. They then have to be counted.

If alternate slates are presented, the POTS can count all of them or he can choose to count the ones he chooses to count. The 12th amendment doesn’t specify which he is to count.

He can also reject them. I think it’s implicit in the text.

So yes, I believe he has the power (not unilateral as you keep begging for for some reason)…. But it’s there.

Ivan Raiklin says Vice President Pence can request states send Electoral College slates that actually reflect the will of the people

Citing the United States Constitution and U.S. Code, Constitutional Lawyer Ivan Raiklin says it is Vice President Mike Pence’s duty to instruct states to expeditiously send their Electoral College Certificates immediately if they have not been received.
U.S.C. 12 explains that “When no certificate of vote and list mentioned in sections 9 and 11 of this title from any State shall have been received by the President of the Senate or by the Archivist of the United States by the fourth Wednesday in December, after the meeting of the electors shall have been held, the President of the Senate … shall request, by the most expeditious method available, the secretary of state of the State to send up the certificate…”

Beyond the allegations and evidence of widespread fraud presented by both President Donald Trump’s legal team and independent lawyers and witnesses across the United States, several states have now sent competing slates of delegates to Washington, D.C.

Additionally, Republicans in Pennsylvania and Arizona have asked the U.S. Congress not to accept the votes assigned by the state’s Secretary of State, suggesting they represent fraudulent election results.

Should Pence take this action, he is then instructed by the law to request these states immediately send accurate Electoral College Certificates before January 6.

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The is patently false. The constitution requires that each state be opened/counted in alphabetical order.

Then why did everyone tell him he couldn’t do it, including Eastman (but pushed him to do it anyway)?

Why did t Gore do that for FL?

You ok with Kamala doing this next time?

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Not the states. The SLATES. If Arkansas for instance presents 2 slates, he can decide which he will count.

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Some did and some didn’t.

Eastman’s opinion right now is biased. He’s on trial with those that will send him to the guillotine if they can. He’s saving his neck.

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And how exactly does he decide this?

All of them acknowledged it was over - even the ones (Giuliani, Eastman) who wanted him to go forward anyway.

Eastman should be indicted. Along with Trump.

This was over long before 1/6/21.

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So you think after they over throw the legitimate election they would stop at the judicial branch and say oh ok, guess you guys really did win?

What kind of stupid fuck are you?

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So much bias in this comment

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FIFY

You realize that if YOUR coup happened like you wish it did, all branches of government are useless, right?

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He does know this, but doesn’t want to admit it.

Which is why he refuses to address my question on whether or not he’d be ok with Kamala doing this next.

It’s pathetic.

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And precisely the reason they are traitors to the good ole USofA

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So I don’t agree that it is a coup, nor is that established. Most people see it for the protest that it was.

Secondly, I don’t agree that the judiciary would cease to function.

You all don’t want to see that a fraud was committed and we want it righted. That isn’t a coup. That’s justice.

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But there was no fraud. None. If there was, Trump wouldn’t have lost 60+ times in court. Almost everyone close to him said then - and even more say now - that his claims were trash. He lost.

And then when he tried to devise a plan to illegally stay in power. He goaded his supporters to riot. They were reading his tweets in real time while there.

Forget the violence - this was literally a soft coup attempt.

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Says the guy who has flat out agreed with me that “courts can be wrong”…So if courts can be wrong, why is it impossible to you there was fraud?

This is getting too easy with you

nd then when he tried to devise a plan to illegally stay in power. He goaded his supporters to riot. They were reading his tweets in real time while there.

But they didn’t read the ones or listen to his words that said “to keep it peaceful”??? Funny how you sheep get to pick and choose.

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Do you believe there was? If so, where’s your proof?

But he also said to not show weakness and fight like hell. And his goons said trial by combat and take names and kick ass. And Trump tweeted - during the violence:

“ “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long.”

So, you accusing me of picking and choosing? Sounds exactly like that’s what you did.

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No I just acknowledge he said both…You pick and choose.

Do you believe there was? If so, where’s your proof?

I believe there was and I can’t prove it
You believer there wasn’t and can’t prove it
We both believe that courts are capable of being beaten/wrong

The difference is I move on, you draw it in to a 5 day message board bratty contest.

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I didn’t pick and choose. The overwhelming sentiment was that Biden’s certification could not happen.

Why do you believe something that even Trump’s closest advisors do not?

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Why does it matter to you?

And why are you trying to decipher the motivation for them saying this…And how do you know they aren’t saying other things.

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Pls @Canes51 and meltdown Mollie, do not trash another thread.