More About the Chauvin Trial

Orly?

Stop already.

Asphyxiation may be caused by suffocation, smothering, strangling, choking, drowning, Injury, exposure to noxious gases (such as carbon monoxide), or such medical conditions as sleep apnea, acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), or congenital central hypoventilation syndrome (CCHS).1

Within the context of addiction, we tend to associate asphyxiation with a drug overdoseor alcohol poisoning. A less common cause is the intentional self-infliction of strangulation, known as autoerotic asphyxiation.

Fair enough GSC. But it includes the above.

You asked me earlier how I’d feel if Chauvin was my son. What if Floyd was yours?

I’d be sad. I have 2 sons. I’d be asking myself how I failed him.

So does cutting off blood supply to the brain. Your statement is not an argument.

Note I’m not insisting Chauvin killed Floyd, I’m simply saying it’s an open question the court needs to determine.

Perhaps. Would you also be asking why that cop had to lean on him long after he went unconscious and stopped breathing?

Have an honest moment with yourself.

Knowing what I know about this case- probably not.

I never got overly emotional about the knee. I never saw it as the cause of death. I don’t think I would want to dishonor my sons memory even further propagating a lie and causing the nation to burn.

But that’s just me.

What an articulate, well thought out, load of crap.

You can think what you want. I’m a pretty straight shooter. I’ve gotten into fights with my wife over similar questions to this because she thinks I’m heartless at times. She’s called me Hitler when it comes to my kids.

I believe in right over wrong. Whether that person is my blood is inconsequential.

I still love that person but I won’t lie over them. Sorry. You do wrong you have consequences.

Actions have consequences - if my son did 4x the amount of fentanyl to kill a man and acted a fool and didn’t comply with cops… I’m not going to start drama. He was wrong.

FLOYD WAS WRONG FROM BEGINNING TO END.

Now- would I be upset that the cop didn’t realize my son was unconscious and non responsive and didn’t seek medical care on time. Yes.

And I would sue him civilly for that. Different questions there.

Something tells me you’d act much differently in the moment.

I believe that behavior has consequences too.

What about consequences for that cop? The guy was done resisting. For a long time. Why keep your knee on him like that? Give him a breath. Warn him. If he resists again, hold him down again.

That asshole had all his weight on him long after he stopped breathing. You say drugs killed him. But there’s plenty of proof and testimony that Chauvin is at very least a contributor to his death.

And for that behavior, there should be consequences.

How many times do I have to repeat to you that I believe manslaughter is appropriate before you believe me? Is that a punishment? Is that not a consequence?

Bikki disagrees. He’s followed the case. I have not. Maybe he’s gets off. I don’t know. But initially I’ve always said manslaughter.

So you agree that he’s at very least - partially responsible for Floyd’s death?

Because that seems to conflict with your precious statement:

I don’t think he was the cause of his death but I do believe that he was negligent.

There was a moment where anyone could see the man needed treatment. He just stopped moving. An ambulance should have been called or cpr administered.

Thank you for admitting that Chauvin should go to jail.

51- you know manslaughter comes with a prison sentence right?

Lol, A++.

GSC is lying up his a-hole if it was his kid and he didn’t at least ask why the officer didn’t get off once he was unconscious.

Nope, GSC’s all live and let die about it. His kid just died. Whatever. :rofl: :joy: :sweat_smile:

Sure do. So why do you focus all your time on your opinion that Floyd was wrong, in your words - from BEGINNING TO END?

See, GSC, this is the more sane approach, but a second ago 51 asked if you would ask why the officer didn’t get off after he was unconscious, and you said NO.

This is directly contradicting that. If you think he’s negligent, if you think he should’ve gotten off at the point it was obvious there may have been a medical emergency, then you would be asking about.

But thanks for finally reaching intellectual honesty.

He does. That’s why he thanked you for admitting that Chauvin was guilty.

No you’re confusing it.

I don’t believe that the knee to the neck or the weight or whatever you guys are saying had any effect.

I think the drugs ran their course. But at some point the officer should have recognized that. He didn’t. A man was in his care, detained, and he didn’t act to save him after he was clearly in distress.

But again Chauvin didn’t cause the distress. The fentynal did.

There is a video of Floyd in the store right before this. He’s almost in a dream world and seizing in front of the cashier… high as a kite.

I’m not being inconsistent.

You can mourn the loss of a child and not be an asshole and start drama. Thousands of people do it each day.

I hope my son never does drugs. I hope he is always respectful and complies.

If he acted like Floyd that day, I’d be heartbroken no doubt… but I wouldn’t be angry with the cops if the same fact pattern emerged.

I’ll say it again- but for George Floyd’s actions (drugs, non-compliance, etc) NONE OF THIS HAPPENS.

Ok, I get what you’re saying and there’s a logic behind it, but it’s still a bit janky.

This is your statement:

The thing is, the ambulance was on the way. So Chauvin did seek medical attention. What Chauvin failed to do after floyd was unconscious was GET OFF HIS NECK. I mean, you have to get off his neck FIRST to give him any kind of medical attention, right? So you’re agreeing that Chauvin should’ve gotten off Floyd’s neck and failed to, as he failed to recognize Floyd was unconscious, keeping in mind that another officer was worried for Floyd’s health and urged Chauvin to switch positions, keeping in mind that holding a neck restraint on an unconscious subject is against policy and training, if it was ever allowed in the first place.

So hell yeah, Chauvin should’ve recognized that Floyd was fucking unconscious and gotten off his neck and put him in a better position to breathe, exactly as his fellow officer suggested.