Hahahaha…. That’s exactly what he did…. He let me run him right off. Imagine a grown man being ran off of a message board! Pathetic.
Actually you probably condone that cuntiness…. Remember when you fake quit the board? Was it once or twice? Good times. Must be a lib thing…
While normal people are sleeping or with their partners
Ya I bet you that was one really epic fuck session in the warden household late last night after screaming at the TV during SOTU for 3 hours…Directed all that Trump hate into beating up that blue haired little box did ya? Well done sir.
a football message board where he’s not addressing any points you have
Imagine thinking SC makes points…EVER
1am - 4am
I believe his little tantrum was much earlier than that. 10-11?
site by being the guy at the bar who everyone stops talking to so he’ll finally leave them alone.
Oppo. I wish the fuck they’d leave me alone.
you’re probably the closest thing to a human he talks to all day.
Canefansc, just put him on ignore. Skeeter does not have a mind of his own. You can’t reason with the guy. Something happend awhile back where he just went off the deep end. He used to be a good poster. Now he is just an angry, old man.
Canefansc, just put him on ignore. Skeeter does not have a mind of his own. You can’t reason with the guy. Something happend awhile back where he just went off the deep end. He used to be a good poster. Now he is just an angry, old man.
^^^ From the guy who just “unblocked me” after such a long separation (wink wink)
Unfortunately your last gasping pleas to SC are in vain 80
You didn’t hear what happened?
SC got bit by one of those really big poisonous jelly fish off the coast of SC… Tragic.
I actually enjoyed CanesSc during this year’s game threads. Indeed, he was a loyal Cane’s fan, but he couldn’t tolerate the kitchen heat in the Storm Shelter. By dint of some religious stricture, I presume, he put me on ignore as an angry Muslim might do to someone committing blasphemy. I regarded it as censorship since not seeing his posts detracted from my enjoyment in following some threads I felt were interesting. Obviously, he couldn’t take it from time to time being called an imbecile, and I endeavored to try and bring him down off his high horse and engage in dialectic sparring. I am sorry, really sorry that CaneSC has left us, but the way he retreated was IMO a sign of immature petulance. I hope he reconsiders his self-banishment, and I for one would like to see his byline again when the games start in the fall.
Elite80 is right in opposing anti-Semitism which has taken root among the American left. Israel, a nation of just 10 million people, has struggled to survive like no other nation. It is a splendid country, far and away the most advanced and prosperous in the Middle East. America has no greater friend on this planet than the nation of Israel. Even a casual perusal of hate crime statistics reveals that anti-Semitism is a present problem in our country today.
It’s fascinating to watch the gymnastics here. Skeeter wants to talk about who’s a ‘maniac,’ yet remains remarkably silent on the actual substance of the lies being discussed. It’s easy to dismiss everything when you don’t have to defend anything. It’s not ‘insanity’ to expect a shred of accountability; the real mania is watching someone do the same dance for years and still pretending it’s a new song.
A lie. Opposition to Israel is not anti-Semitism.
by their own doing
It’s a nice sentiment, Bikki, but if we’re talking facts, Israel isn’t even the most ‘prosperous’ nation in its own neighborhood by most economic standards. Qatar and the UAE both dwarf Israel in GDP per capita. You’re doing exactly what the thread title suggests: using a polished version of the truth to avoid the messier reality. Being ‘advanced’ in tech doesn’t change the fact that you’re using this as a pivot to avoid talking about the transparency issues at home.
Again, I’ll never vote for a human being who defends Israel ever again. Most of the right and left are coming to agreement on the subject.
Bikki, warden is against israel but defends the Palestinians who want to wipe jews/ Israelis off the face of the earth. Facts are facts. The Palestinian people can condemn violence and try and make a deal with israel to live in peace. Problem is its tough to negotiate with people who want to kill every single jew. I am all for trying to work with any group of people. I al against israel and the us bombing iran….the one difference is many Iranians want to live more like us in the west….the problem with warden he believes its all or nothing. Guy is an anti semite and i have no use for people like that.
Palestinian have given every opportunity by Israel to prosper and comport themselves peacefully. But they don’t. They don’t in Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan or in Egypt. They don’t behave particularly well in the United States. They tried to topple King Hussein of Jordan. Egypt grew tired of them and banned the Muslim Brotherhood. Israel gave the Palestinians control of Gaza with an extraordinary number of green houses to raise winter vegetables. And, the Palestinians wrecked the green houses, and proclaimed themselves forever refugees. How long can people claim to be refugees? You’d think since 1948, Palestinians would be able to better the lives of their people since they have been given billions of dollars in refugee aid from foreign donors. Instead, they put the money into digging tunnels, building rockets, and concocting other devious plans to destroy Israel. Yet, when they’re ill, they rush to Israel for treatment. They are brainwashed into believing they’re poor victimized refugees. What kind of people would sell their sons to be suicide bombers. You guessed it. Palestinians would and did so. What kind of people would murder a street urchin to use his body as a prop in a propaganda film. That’s what the Pals did by killing Mohammad Dura, claiming he was killed by the IDF which of course was a lie. Indisputably, they killed him.
The best claim to Land of Israel historically is that of the Jews. Joan Peter’s classic From Time in Immemorial has been shown to be a FAR more accurate tome than anything Chomsky has written about Israel despite the constant attempts of leftist to discredit Peters. My old friend David Horowitz really took Chomsky task for being such a self-hating Jew. Chomsky is like a god to Warden. Incidentally, I had lunch with Chomsky in the late Seventies. During his speech, he had a repartee with an old country lawyer from Quincy, Florida, that’s here in the Panhandle. The old lawyer buried Chomsky such was his skill as an advocate, and Chomsky just whined like a little girl. Chomsky is a professor of linguistics, but all he wanted to talk about at a linguistics conference was politics.
If you’ve been to Israel, you’ll find all the towns and landmarks were named thousands of years ago by Jews occupying and ruling the land. You don’t think the Pals invented Judea, Samaria, or Gaza. This business of occupation is annoying. In America, the Indians constantly stole land from one another. Read international law regarding conquest and land rights rather than being a liberal screaming about occupied land. If you have a conscience about occupation, I exhort you to sign away your ownership to some Indian tribe. Show us some evidence of your zeal for returning land to rightful owners.
You’re getting old. Finklestein was the main critic of the horseshit book by Peters, not Chomsky. Chomsky only agreed with Finklestein. I preferred Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath who called it a “sheer forgery.” Dershowitz plagiarized it.
There are fewer and fewer who will accept dishonestly being called and anti-Semite for being critical of Israel’s political policies and it’s showing. The right and left are merging over this along with most other countries as well. Support for Israel is dying right in front of us. But, go ahead and align yourself with Bikki, Alan Dershowitz, notorious trashbag Horowitz, and Netanyahu Elite80…you’re in apt company it appears. Hasidic Jews, the rabbinical court Edah HaChareidis in Jerusalem, reformed Jews, and modern Orthodox Jews all are anti-Semitic in the eyes of Bikki and Elite80 along with anyone on the planet who has the slightest disagreement with Israel and their actions.
Of course, for the play by play - here are a few fun items to add to the history
Yeah…“Israeli intelligence officials have recently testified that they warned the government that some of this money was being diverted to Hamas’s military wing, but the policy of allowing the cash flow continued until the October 7, 2023 attacks.”
As a counter to the secular PLO, Israel is largely responsible for the creation of HAMAS and kept its funding flow all the way to October 7. Then, they ignored it for how many hours while it was happening? How did they get through the Iron Dome, exactly?
So, everyone knew Qatar (Trump’s buddies) were funding Hamas directly and Israel actually physically aided it. Hamas was created with the help of Israel to counter the secular PLO. Israel was given the 40 page blueprint of the attack and ignored it, then when the attack happened appeared to sit on their hands for 6-8 hours. Then, Israel used the attack as justification to entirely destroy GAZA and as many women and children, journalists, doctors, WHO workers and aid workers as possible and now…felon Trump somehow gets to develop it along with (under investigation for corruption) Netanyahu lifelong friend Jared Kushner and his felon dad and Netanyahu gets full US support for attacking Iran and has recently started talking about Turkey coming next so they can fulfill the Greater Israel where they take the entire region.
Gotcha. And you think you’re on the good guy side.
The good guy side - lol. You are against israel and side with the Palestinians. If you think israel is wrong but side with those who raped, murdered and tortured innocent people what are we really talking about. I would be ok with your side if you just condemned both parties. I would agree that israel has gone to far but siding with the Palestinians who want to wipe israel and it’s people off the map is not an argument you will ever win with me. If you side with the Palestinians who have shown no good faith in having peace there is not much to say.
First off, let’s be crystal clear: I absolutely condemn the rapes, murders, and torture committed on October 7th. There is no ‘context’ that justifies that, and if that’s your bar for having a conversation, consider it cleared. But, here’s where we disagree - acknowledging that Israel has gone too far, your words, doesn’t mean I’m siding with Hamas. It means I’m looking at the human cost of a strategy that’s leveled cities and killed thousands of children who didn’t vote for Hamas and aren’t wiping anyone off the map.
Also, you’re equating ALL Palestinians with Hamas and blaming the entirety of the Palestinians with Hamas. That’s not being honest. All Palestinians aren’t in Hamas. Almost half of the Palestinians weren’t even born when Hamas was elected over 20 years ago.
You mentioned “good faith.” It’s hard to argue the Palestinian leadership has shown it, but we also have to be honest about the other side. Can we really say a decades long policy of settlement expansion in the West Bank is “good faith” towards a 2 state solution? I view the Palestinians as a displaced people who are caught between a military occupation and a militant leadership. You view every Palestinian as having raped and murdered Israelis on October 7th.
I’ve laid out very clearly that Israel itself is more responsible for October 7th than most Palestinians, who hadn’t a thing to do with it. Israel, at least, drove literal bags of cash to Hamas from Qatar until the day of the attack and played a significant role in creating and propping up Hamas as a counter to a more secular PLO in an effort to stifle the opportunity of a 2 state solution.
Was Israel in good faith when they pushed out 800,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948? You’ve yet to address that in any way. That’s the crux of the issue, is it not? The PLO and the Fatah recognized Israel’s right to exist in 1993 under the Oslo Accords. What did Israel do, they Illegally settled the West Bank in response. Between 1949-1953 Israel lined up against a wall and shot 5000 Palestinians trying to go back to their own land. In 1956, Israel invades Sinai, enters Rafa City and literally lined up hundreds of Palestinians and shot them against a wall without trial. In 1967, Israel occupied Gaza following the 6 Day War. In 1991, Israel starts sealing off Gaza from the rest of the world.
I mean, half of the Palestinians are children and weren’t even alive when Hamas won the election, and they haven’t held an election in 20 years. Yet, you again consider Hamas and the Palestinians as the same thing. Those kids didn’t deliver bags of money from Qatar to Hamas up until October 7th. Israel did. Those kids didn’t create Hamas, but Israel definitely did in an effort to thwart the secular PLO and a 2 state solution.
When your entire life you’re under military dictatorship and military rule in a place your grandparents used to call home until some Europeans came in and pushed you out with guns…what exactly are they supposed to think? Again, according to genetics Ashkenazi Jews carry only up to 25% of the original Hebrew bloodlines.
Then, there is whether or not Israel is an actual ally of the US. Do we need to go over how many major incidents of espionage theft committed by Israel? The Jonathan Pollard Affair, the Apollo Affair, the Arnon Milchan and Krytron Smuggling in the 80s, the Ben-Ami Kadish Case of 2008, the Steward Nizette Sting of 2009. The ODNI and the FBI regularly consider only China and Russia as above Israel in being the most aggressive state actors trying to steal technology. The 1996 GAO report considered only Russia above Israel as active intelligence gathering presence in the US. Hell, in 2019 they put Stingray devices all over Washington, near the WH, used to intercept mobile phone traffic. I went back through the Presidents and almost every single one since Truman had to go after Israel for one thing or another. Yet, Israel continues to be the most aggressive actor in the region, drawing us into shit over and over again.
I dunno, man. I’m loyal to the United States. You couldn’t even answer the question as to whether you’d vote for anyone who didn’t support giving Israel whatever it wanted. It doesn’t appear Israel benefits the US in any way. They give intelligence on terrorist organizations, the same organizations who wouldn’t exist without the presence of Israel in the first place.
I’m not trying to convince you of any side. I asked you a bunch of questions so I could understand your perspective and you originally responded with bloodlust and then called me an anti-Semite because I didn’t wholeheartedly agree with whatever Israel did as a country. Then, you blamed all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas. I’ve yet to see your ability to be honest about the subject to even have a conversation. You believe what you want, dude. I wanted to learn more; you attacked me for just asking questions. Until someone can explain what the fuck justified some of the actions of the past, I can’t support anyone running for office who supports Israel in the carte-blanche manner we’ve done in the past. I’m just one dude, who you can easily say go fuck yourself to. BUT, the entire planet has galvanized towards the same conclusion, particularly the youth. They are getting tired of being called anti-Semites because they ask questions about Israel’s actions. It’s scary too. Regular people with questions are getting answers from bad actors like Tucker Carlson, who is pushing flat out Nazi shit, and everyone is getting layered into the same algorithms and that’s scary, man. People who actually hate Jews for being Jewish are filling this vacuum online and all the criticism is getting layered into each other and I just don’t think that’s a good thing with a good outcome for anyone. If bad people start coming door to door for people of Jewish descent again, regardless of whether I disagree with you or not, they’re taking my wife and kids just like they’re taking yours. I don’t think they just left the husband at home to twiddle his thumbs, either. Also, we’re on 23 and Me, that shit’s on record. She’s 31% Ashkenazi Jew and 14% Lebanese which is the same ancient Canaanite bloodline to the tune of 93% from the American Journal of Human Genetics. Genetically, ancient Lebanese and ancient Israelites were indistinguishable.
You might not like it, but my family is invested in this conversation just as much as yours is. If I’m totally wrong, fucking tell me where. I’m just learning about this shit for the first time and I keep asking you shit which you refuse to even acknowledge and then call me names over it. You disagree, so why?
The basic points are I don’t consider Jewish identity or religion to be beholden in any way to the State of Israel.
I consider the State of Israel an individual entity that happens to be mostly Jewish but that’s incidental to me. It’s country that does country shit.
I don’t see Israel the country as in any way controlling, contributing to or even related to the religion and only a small way related to the blood lineage. It’s just a country.
I don’t consider Palestinians and Hamas to be the same thing. I consider Hamas using the Palestinians. Fuck Hamas. I don’t have any sympathy for Hamas.
I think pushing 800,000 people off of their land is going to piss people off. I’m not sure how to justify that. I just don’t see it. That’s the basic crux of this and nobody can explain to me why it’s okay.
warden, do you even read what you write. You blame the jews and israel for all the problems. Even stated that if israel did not exist we would not have these issues. Fuck you cant be more obvious in your feelings. Blame the jews and blame the Israelis for all the world’s problems. Hitler and the Nazis did the same thing. Mind you the Palestinians do not want peace. If Palestinians wanted peace they would not side with hamas or plo…you saying you know jews is like a white person having that one black friend they invite to their party and say see i am not racist. Having a token jew that you know does not make you less of an anti- semite. I have said that not every Palestinian is not bad but before we have any discussion they cant come to the peace table being backed by groups of people who want to wipe jews and Israelis off the face of the earth.
The way you speak sounds eerily similar to nick Fuentes. Also sound like camdace owens….
And finally, you’ve shown yet again you cannot be honest about the conversation. This is what I’ve seen from Israeli supporters. I said if they didn’t clear out 800,000 Palestinians from their homes. It is what it is…you have zero ability to be honest on this subject.
At no point was this stated in my comments. A 2nd lie
Third lie, as if they can call Ghostbusters or something. Israel stole their land. Israel slaughtered their people. Israel put them behind walls into a concentration camp. Somehow, they’re supposed to what…side with Israel?
4th lie
Another lie. If you stole my house, killed my grandfather, put my family into an open air prison, and then bombed all of my children, I’d want you off the face of the earth too.
Pretty clear. Zero explanations of the issues that caused all of this. Zero ability to be honest on the subject. More name calling, more justifying. This corresponds with every other Israeli supporter I’ve seen.
Clear as day. You make it quite easy to draw clear conclusions. This is some wild shit. Outside of MAGA, I’ve never seen people just dismiss basic reality and respond like bloodthirsty children. I guess it’s a lesson learned. Thanks for the lesson.
I guess you need to move out of this country since those before you were cleared out. Being honest, your full of shit. You accuse Bikki of being a racist but support a group of people whose ultimate goal is to eliminate all jews and israelis from this earth. I know you don’t like facts but come on.
There is one FACT….The palestinian people have allowed themselves to be run by PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah…..These are all orginizations that have been terrorist. FACTS….Another fact these people want Israel to hand over the land and leave…Is this not a fact…GUESS WHAT THAT IS NEVER -EVER HAPPENING. So if you think the Israelis are going to give that land back to the Palestinians and leave…Well your a god damn moron. Now if Palestinians want to dennounce the terrorist groups that have backed them then there is a chance to have a two state solution in Israel. You and this comes from your mouth….Israel stole the land…And the only option is the way they want it.
Warden, I personally don’t care which side you are on…You don’t fool me. Your my wife is jewish…Lol or her friend is and I am friends with them BS….The moment you side with the Palestinians who in this current form are run by Terrorist then yes…You are anti-semitic and accept their terms were Jews/Israelis no longer have the right to exist.
facts something that warden does not want to hear. Warden is that guy who looks into a dictionary and learns that difficult word noone else knows and starts using it all the time like he is smarter than everyone else. Problem is his ignorance shows every time he speaks of israel.
i heard candace owens dumb ass say jews use the holocaust as guilt. There is a reason why we need to continue to bring it up is because the further we get away from it is possible for something like that to happen again. We cant let history to EVER happen again. People like warden who are ignorant need to be reminded over again that his way of thinking of blaming israelis and jews for all the worlds problems is not the right way of thinking.
Most want peace between israel and Palestinians. That being said when you have one group of people who have let themselves be run by terrorist organization that way of thinking must change.
Who else would be to blame? Do you deny this occurred? It’s the core issue of the entire argument and you’ve yet to even acknowledge it.
Jordan already hosts millions of refugees. Their population is 50-60% Palestinian. Both country’s leaders argue that if the Palestinians leave the West Bank or Gaza, Israel will never allow them to return (as happened in 1948 and 1967), effectively ending a Palestinian state.
As for it being a concentration camp: Israel has a total blockade, entire control of the borders, airspace and territorial waters. Movement is restricted by Israel; residents of Gaza generally cannot leave and those in the West Bank face a system of checkpoints and permits.
Less than half of the Jewish population believes in Zionism. 37% of American Jewish people identify as Zionists. Your words betray you. You can’t claim I don’t know Jewish people and then claim you have no idea if I do or not. Again, my wife is Jewish by blood. There are about 200,000 Jews in Dallas alone. It’s nothing noteworthy or special to have friends who are Jewish. I kind of figured everyone does.
The PLO was founded in 1964. Hamas was founded in 1987. Hezbollah was founded in 1982. Israel pushed out 800,000 people from their homes in 1947-48. Was one the cause of the other?
No, I don’t think that’s a viable option at this point.
How, exactly? Israel has consistently violated international law and done everything possible to undermine even the possibility of a 2 state solution, to the tune of literally helping in the creation of Hamas and driving them bags of money up until October 7th. That’s documented fact.
How have they violated the law?
Illegal Settlement Enterprise (Article 49, 4th Geneva Convention)
The Violation: Since 1967, Israel has facilitated the movement of over 700,000 civilians into the West Bank and East Jerusalem
Acquisition of Territory by Force
The formal annexation of East Jerusalem (1980) and the Golan Heights (1981) is considered a violation of this principle.
Construction of the Separation Barrier
Because the wall was built largely on Palestinian land (rather than on the “Green Line” border), the court ruled it was an illegal attempt at de facto annexation and a violation of the Palestinian right to self-determination.
Forcible Transfer and Displacement
The Violation: Legal bodies have pointed to the demolition of homes, the revocation of residency permits in Jerusalem, and more recently, the mass displacement of civilians in Gaza (2023–2026) as potentially meeting the criteria for “forcible transfer,” which is a war crime.
Methods of Warfare (Starvation and Proportionality)
The Violation: The ICC prosecutor has alleged the use of starvation as a method of warfare by intentionally depriving civilians of food, water, and medicine. Additionally, the ICJ is currently hearing a case (brought by South Africa) regarding potential violations of the 1948 Genocide Convention.
What’s particularly strange is how your grasp of the English language breaks down on this subject. To be candid, what the fuck are you talking about? First off, you’ve never heard me speak - so you have no idea what comes from my mouth. Secondly, I’ve never stated Israel should just give it back. But, they definitely stole it, yes. 100%. Until you can dispute the 1948 actions, you’ve done nothing to dispute the overall statement that Israel stole the land from the Palestinians.
So, there we have it. Anyone who sides with the Palestinians or seemingly questions anything Israel has done in history, you’re anti-Semitic. Here’s a newsflash…Palestinians are Semitic. The only one who appears to be anti-Semitic here is you.
With regards to your video, let’s break down just ONE of the times Maher thinks Israel offered a 2 state solution:
Camp David:
• Refused to withdraw from any of the settlements, effectively annexing 10% of the West Bank
• Then, suggest another 10% be annexed “security reasons”
• So, that’s 20% of the West Bank before even beginning the negotiations
• A strip of land between Palestine and Jordan be annexed for “security reasons”
• Palestinians would not be in control of their own air space
• Palestinians would not be in control of their own borders
• The water situation remains unchanged meaning Israel controls most of the water in the West Bank despite it being under the West Bank
• Israel wanted 3 permanent military bases
• Israel wanted the right to invade any Palestinians territory for any reason
• Israel stated East Jerusalem would remain controlled by Israel despite the 1967 law
That doesn’t sound like a missed opportunity by the Palestinians. In fact, Schlomo Ben-Ami, who was the foreign minister at the time and one of the chief negotiators admitted it was a shit deal and he wouldn’t have taken it either.
Yet more lies and bullshit. Where, exactly, did anyone on here blame the Jews or Israelis for “all the worlds problems”?
It’s pretty clear - anyone who disagrees with Israel is an anti-Semite. Israel continues to violate international law. Israel committed a genocide on the Palestinians so they could illegally steal more of their land. The United States has given Israel $310 billion over time. From it, we’ve gotten spied on, a naval ship bombed, continuously dragged into conflicts, stolen from, and each of our Congresspeople have a unique AIPAC person assigned to them. We’re definitely invaded, but unlike Bikki’s belief that its from South Americans, I believe its obvious we’ve been invaded by Israel. My opinion is that we cut off support and funding in its entirety. Israel can deal with the world on its own.
We disagree on the subject. Simple enough. You’re the only one on here calling people names, making erratic statements, grammar breaking down in fits of apparent rage, etc. It’s striking…all I originally asked was an explanation or a defense of the 1948 move of pushing 800,000 off of their land. To date, I’ve yet to get that addressed at all, just name calling and Bill Maher posts. I’ve hated Bill Maher since the 90s.
They did not steal it….Listen to Bill Mahrer above. You are a person who has an issue with isrealis and jews. Very sad. You throw word salad all around to try and cover up the fact you are not a good person.
You keep bringing up what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians but ignore the fact that most of the issues have started from them not wanting peace in the first place. THEY DONT WANT PEACE. They want the Jews/Israelis is to leave or just die. This something your small little brain cant accept. You do blame the jews. You bring up 1948. Israel tried to split the country in two. You just ignore this fact to try and make your point. You are just another stormfront. Just a more extreme version of him on the left.
